Help! Need advice! Ebay item not shipped: Jimmy Page / Tom Murphy $$$

[VastHorizon]

Originally Posted by FastFret

His feedback is 94.7 and here is what one of the other guys that got screwed from him said ......' FFFF, never receice my hat after i purchase them and paid for them and lied Buyer: lordski23 ( 483) Oct-23-02 00:08
-- (#954428327) ' you have to hit the tab that says show all feedback........ I just hope that theirs someway he can recover his money man, thats alot of money where i come from

Oh. I see how they got the 100% feedback... They sold cheap items like hats at first... Then when the feedback was in the hundreds, they moved on to screw someone...

[Tuxedo Kaz]

Nevertheless, there are still avenues he can take before resorting to legal action which will save him headaches (not to mention attorneys' fees). In fact, doing so without going through the ebay system first could hurt a claim.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to his plight, more trying to put some perspective on it. In no way am I endorsing the actions of the seller.

[Tuxedo Kaz]

By the way Jimmy, I hope this situation resolves itself for you, either in the form of your guitar or your money back.

[Jupa]

Get a lawyer. Sue for damages. It won't put this guy away, but with the evidence you have plus a decent lawyer, you'll get your money back and more.

[VastHorizon]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

Okay, breathe.

Seriously dude, have you tried, I don't know, the ebay system for Item Not Recieved? You cannot just jump into legal action.

Don't be a moron. And I mean that in an honest, will save you stress way.

What happened was a money transfer. No way of getting back. It acts like cash. Once you give it, it's gone. Now, put yourself in JimmyAce's shoes... You just lost $15,000, would you just put an Item Not Received and just wait for something to happen? Seriously, dude. I don't see Jimmy being a moron by acting as he should. Being a moron in this situation is sitting on a chair, waiting for someone to take action, and HOPE that everything turns out fine. That someone won't take action because the $15,000 wasn't his anyway.

[kernelofwisdom]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

Nevertheless, there are still avenues he can take before resorting to legal action which will save him headaches (not to mention attorneys' fees). In fact, doing so without going through the ebay system first could hurt a claim.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to his plight, more trying to put some perspective on it. In no way am I endorsing the actions of the seller.

It looks like at this point there's no guitar to ever be shipped and the guy has basically admitted there's nothing there. I agree he should report it to e-bay, but since there was a wire transfer I don't know how they can help on the money side.

I'm usually slow to advise getting a lawyer (I am one), but here I'd start shopping for one in the jurisdiction where this dude lives. It'd be ideal to find one who does civil practice, but who also knows the DA and local law enforcement.

My .02.

[Tuxedo Kaz]

I haven't said a lawyer is out of the question either. I don't appreciate it also, Vast, that you think I think he should just sit tight with his thumb up his ass. I didn't say that.

The FIRST step he needs to do is contact ebay. A $15,000 purchase is pretty big even by ebay standards and he, as a buyer and ebay account holder has rights. Then, if ebay refuses to get involved over some nitpicky issue ("oh wire transfers aren't covered") etc, he should hire legal assistance ASAP.

In that event both Ebay as well as the seller should be taken to task.

[River]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

I haven't said a lawyer is out of the question either. I don't appreciate it also, Vast, that you think I think he should just sit tight with his thumb up his ass. I didn't say that.

The FIRST step he needs to do is contact ebay. A $15,000 purchase is pretty big even by ebay standards and he, as a buyer and ebay account holder has rights. Then, if ebay refuses to get involved over some nitpicky issue ("oh wire transfers aren't covered") etc, he should hire legal assistance ASAP.

In that event both Ebay as well as the seller should be taken to task.

One poorly chosen word can screw up an otherwise helpful post.

[VastHorizon]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

I haven't said a lawyer is out of the question either. I don't appreciate it also, Vast, that you think I think he should just sit tight with his thumb up his ass. I didn't say that.

The FIRST step he needs to do is contact ebay. A $15,000 purchase is pretty big even by ebay standards and he, as a buyer and ebay account holder has rights. Then, if ebay refuses to get involved over some nitpicky issue ("oh wire transfers aren't covered") etc, he should hire legal assistance ASAP.

In that event both Ebay as well as the seller should be taken to task.

Sorry buddy, I didn't mean to hit on you. The message was for everyone, and I just used your post as a reference. Sorry about it bro for the misunderstanding. If my post seemed like I was putting words into what you've said, sorry if it turned out that way. I did not intentionally mean that. I just didn't like the "moron" word.

[VastHorizon]

Originally Posted by river

one poorly chosen word can screw up an otherwise helpful post.

+1

[Tuxedo Kaz]

It's okay man, No harm, no foul.

I sincerely hope Jimmy gets his satisfaction. It's upsetting that people take advantage of other people thus.

Ebay too, to an extent, is at fault. They're very lassiez-faire when it comes to their approach to dispute mediation and taking action. Almost all their actuons are a slap on the wrist.

[Tuxedo Kaz]

Originally Posted by River

One poorly chosen word can screw up an otherwise helpful post.

I'm sorry. Happy?

[kernelofwisdom]

Well hell let's don't get mad at each other; none of us are the con artists. We all just want Jimmy's situation to be made right. The report to e-bay is certainly the right thing to do first. It's up to them to say what they'll do, and hopefully they'll do something, I'm just not sure what it is they can do - but that's for them to say.

[kernelofwisdom]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

It's okay man, No harm, no foul.

I sincerely hope Jimmy gets his satisfaction. It's upsetting that people take advantage of other people thus.

Ebay too, to an extent, is at fault. They're very lassiez-faire when it comes to their approach to dispute mediation and taking action. Almost all their actuons are a slap on the wrist.

Completely agree.

[Tuxedo Kaz]

Anyhow, I find this funny (or sad, pick one):

In order to even have a PHONE NUMBER to talk directly to ebay, you need to be a certain rated power seller. It's ridiculous. It's stuff like that, and Jimmy's case, that I refuse to do business on ebay for anything more than 4-500 dollars.

[Red&Die]

Jimmy:

I was thinking to bid that Jimmy Page Murphy Aged when it list on e-bay, BIN price was $18,300USD, and it has been sold on $14,935USD, I though the buyer (you) got a good deal!!...

Too bad, sorry to hear that!!

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by gearitis

Man, I am so sorry for what happened! I got burned twice on eBay in the early days. Fortunately, it added up to less than $300.00.

So am I correct in guessing that Dale had no knowledge of the eBay account, that account was in fact a hijacked account, there never was a Jimmy Page Murphy guitar, and Dale was just used as a stateside money forwarder/launderer?

You are correct on all points. He and I have been in contact many times today. He has been very cooperative.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by JPP373

I would go after Dale..Dale is connected. On the Pay Pal Fee of 3% using a credit card is standard. Our business has payed anywhere from 2-3.5% fees to Credit Card componies. We just negotiated down to 2.3%. Takes A LOT of transactions to bring it down..So i'm sure Pay Pal is making a small % but not the Full 3%. When i sell i ask they use E-check $5..or split fees. If not no big deal. Its a service Pay Pal provides with protection. Protection factored in with a legitimate person living in a legitimate town and so on. The whole Scam makes me Sick..Feel Horrible for JImmmy but i'm glad he's sharing to educate us on another scam out there. I always wonderd if someone would do this..Create a fake EBay account..Fake history over time to set up a scam down the road.

Hmmm.....I think I know you! JPP373! Sounds VERY familiar! Congrats on the axe.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by FastFret

The guys Feedback rating was not 100%... it was only 94.6 I looked through the transactions and saw that he had done this b4 with someone else. A guy sent the money and said he never received item...........

That was me! I knocked him off the 100% Check it out:

Gibson Les Paul Jimmy Page Signature Tom Murphy - eBay (item 230309293525 end time Nov-27-08 14:35:29 PST)

Was I descriptive enough in the feedback for him?

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by Bizarro

This is an unfortunate situation. I do not believe the "middleman" is an innocent dupe. Go after him with the appropriate Law Enforcement Agency in his jurisdiction and he just "may" cough up the money if there is danger the whole scam may be exposed and prosecuted.

He's broke and unemployed. I couldn't get much and it would cost me a lot of $$$

[Tuxedo Kaz]

Hey Jimmy, for what it's worth, I really hope you get some justice out of this. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

[kingedb]

Said he would go to the bank to get the guitar out of a vault, then ship the guitar today.

what happened to this!??! he told you this yesterday, correct??!?!?

you BETTER visit this vault or hold him completely responsible for YOUR loss.

if he f'd up, HE f'd up. he sent YOUR money overseas. no red flag on his part?? if he was duped it should not cost you 14k.

EDIT: did you notice he also has $22,600 worth of gear for sale in current ebay auctions?

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

Okay, breathe.

Seriously dude, have you tried, I don't know, the ebay system for Item Not Recieved? You cannot just jump into legal action.

Don't be a moron. And I mean that in an honest, will save you stress way.

Yes, I filed with ebay yesterday. Also, I got them in the loop a week ago. They are worthless. Period. No help whatsoever. What we are dealing with here is a total scam, theft, fraud. And it is much larger than me. It is on a huge scale - not just one guitar on ebay. It is international organized crime, rampant throughout ebay, craigslist, etc. If this had to do with a lazy seller who changed his mind or just didn't have any desire to follow through with the deal, that would be one thing. But this group never even had the guitar in the first place.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Kaz

By the way Jimmy, I hope this situation resolves itself for you, either in the form of your guitar or your money back.

No chance. The guy who's name they used for the fronting of this flim flam was handling $ transactions under the assumption that they were for interior design consulting fees, not ebay sales or anything to do with guitars. He sent the money to two individuals in Russia. Organized crime.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by Jupa

Get a lawyer. Sue for damages. It won't put this guy away, but with the evidence you have plus a decent lawyer, you'll get your money back and more.

They don't even know who to sue. The culprits are foreigners. They duped an unemployed American into taking a job as an account manager under the guise that he was starting his own business. It helped cover their tracks since they were able to trick an American into sending the money for them.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by kernelofwisdom

It looks like at this point there's no guitar to ever be shipped and the guy has basically admitted there's nothing there. I agree he should report it to e-bay, but since there was a wire transfer I don't know how they can help on the money side.

I'm usually slow to advise getting a lawyer (I am one), but here I'd start shopping for one in the jurisdiction where this dude lives. It'd be ideal to find one who does civil practice, but who also knows the DA and local law enforcement.

My .02.

Taking action against the American who was hired to manage the account will not get me anywhere. He quit the job as soon as he learned it was fraud. So he is unemployed again, with no resources. No money to get from him. Unless his homeowners insurance covers identity theft. His identity was stolen by these people who were supposedly getting him started in his own business. They acted on his behalf without his knowledge and pretended to be him on ebay, emails, and on the phone.

[Paul]

we shall find these people, and bludgen them to death with our axe's

sue who you can, and do it soon. Don't let them get away, grab any of them by the throat and don't let go.

[Paul]

call anyone and everyone you can make sure they get off their ass and know not to F@ck with you.

[kingedb]

unreal!!!

sorry Jimmy. i am fired up over this mess! until the last 3 posts i didn't understand the guy was not technically the seller.

again i am very sorry this happened to you!!

[Tuxedo Kaz]

Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

Yes, I filed with ebay yesterday. Also, I got them in the loop a week ago. They are worthless. Period. No help whatsoever. What we are dealing with here is a total scam, theft, fraud. And it is much larger than me. It is on a huge scale - not just one guitar on ebay. It is international organized crime, rampant throughout ebay, craigslist, etc. If this had to do with a lazy seller who changed his mind or just didn't have any desire to follow through with the deal, that would be one thing. But this group never even had the guitar in the first place.

I'm very sorry for you man. I wasn't aware of that detail of the situation. I agree with the ebay = worthless part.

So it seems that you won't be able to take any action against the seller/scammers themselves. In this case I suggest taking action directly against ebay for letting it happen. Either they start making a marketplace they're willing to their guarantee on as well as seal of approval (their money where their moth is) or they shouldn't be in business at all. This is ludicrous.