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Unread 01-19-2013, 05:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

That's what the ad was saying... 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard for 1700EUR

I went to check on The Guitar Dater Project for the serial number and for my surprise it seems that this is actually a 1980 LP.

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Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
October 10th, 1980
Production Number: 249

Just wanted to hear from you guys what's your impression... do you think it's a scam?

PS: Guy has good reputation on the auction website.
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Unread 01-19-2013, 08:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

I'm no expert, but it seems reasonable/legit to me. I'm sure other qualified MLPers will chime in though.
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

serial number is for 1980..maybe the seller doesn't know? Maybe he thinks 83 because those number are consecutive and he does not under the serial number process?
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

Scam? unlikely. The seller would have nothing to gain by making this guitar three years younger; there is nothing special about 1983 LPs at all. This appears to be a very fine example of a 1980 Les Paul; should have a protector cast though and the tuners have been changed, they should be chrome keystone gibsons.
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

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Scam? unlikely. The seller would have nothing to gain by making this guitar three years younger; there is nothing special about 1983 LPs at all. This appears to be a very fine example of a 1980 Les Paul; should have a protector cast though and the tuners have been changed, they should be chrome keystone gibsons.
Thanks for the comments.

If you'd spend 1700EUR in a LP would you go for this 1980 LP or a 2009 LP Traditional? I'm asking because both are selling for the same price, the 2009 is brand new but I also heard that they have a lot of problems with getting out of tune easily, specially the G string.
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

Without a doubt the 1980 Standard, these are better made guitars with serious mojo that will only increase in value as they get older. The traditional, while a good guitar is definitely rather run of the mill and will always be so. This LP here is a piece of Gibson history.
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

I've questioned the guy about the protector cast and the chrome keystone tuners. Here's the answer:

"Hi,

im not that familiar with the parts you say are changed, to be honest im not really a Gibson man it was just a guitar i wanted to add to my collection, i bought it when New York from 30th Street Guitars when i was there around 6 years..

cheers.."

I've e-mailed 30th Street Guitars to see if they can confirm this guitar was once with them. Let's wait now...
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

For that price I wouldn't worry too much as those are only minor quibbles and you can always pick these items up at a later date. One other thing is that this guitar would have also originally come with gold speed knobs not reflector knobs but again, that is just a minor detail with a decently priced intrument. Just in case you are interested here are what the case and the tuners should look like:


The smaller case is the generation 1 and the larger the generation 2 Protector or "chainsaw" cases. Gibson made the switch to Gen 2 sometime in 1980 so your guitar could have come with either.

And these are the correct tuners


But as I have said, for that price these are minor issues. You may want to ask him for shots of the control cavity to see if the electronics have been fooled with. The pots would be mounted on a metal plate with a metal cover over them; when you open the cavity you should see only the cover and would have to remove it to see the controls. It is not uncommon for the cover to be lost over the years as people sometimes remove the cover and or the control mounting plate.
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I doubt there is anyway a shop is going to remember a guitar from 6 years ago unless they do them in a computer by serial, which I guess is possible, but who cares? The guitar pictured is legit.

As to the case I am sure the original got ditched cuz the latches fell off. For a players guitar, the protector can be more of a liability than a investment.

As to what would be better? If they played and sounded on equal I would go with the 1980 in heartbeat.
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Re: 1983 Gibson Les Paul Standard

Seller goofed and used 1st and 4th digits for the year instead of 1st and 5th digits.
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