Heel reductions?

Loserface300 · 11-14-2009, 09:12 PM

anyone tried removing a PRS necks HUGE heel?

PRS Guitar Upgrades, Custom PRS Guitars

I made my mind, im going for an SE, which ill have EMGs and a extra volume pot put into, and also maybe have the heel reduced.... anyone in florida perferly?

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 09:18 PM

bump

River · 11-14-2009, 09:21 PM

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 09:23 PM

bump

Loserface300 · 11-14-2009, 09:41 PM

PRS Heel Removal - Ed Roman Guitars BUMP

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 09:47 PM

I trust nothing Ed Roman says unless it's about his mother.

bump.

River · 11-14-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djwilbanks

I trust nothing Ed Roman says unless it's about his mother.

Even then...

Loserface300 · 11-14-2009, 10:04 PM

you cant say its a bad thing... hes got a paoint about the HFH.....

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:06 PM

Flamesuit!! Don it.

Loserface300 · 11-14-2009, 10:07 PM

.........why shouldnt i?

i did indeed try the se when i went to Sam ash wensday... and that heel is EVIL!

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:07 PM

I used to own an SE. A "heel reduction," whatever the hell that is, is about the most jackassed thing I've ever heard of.

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:08 PM

Here comes the big question...

Have you owned a PRS? (No)

Since you haven't, what makes you think that you need your "heel reduced?"

Maybe its the beer, but this sounds ridiculous...

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 10:09 PM

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:12 PM

No, he's right. Paul Reed Smith doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Ed Roman could teach Mr. Smith a thing or two.

Come on - don't believe the things that you read. And don't believe ANYTHING that Ed Roman has to say...

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 10:15 PM

You know, I'm probably the last person to say this, but I will anyway. Whatever happened to just playing the guitar for a while?

River · 11-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loserface300

.........why shouldnt i?

Why shouldn't you what? Follow Ed Roman off the nearest cliff?

No reason 'tall. Leap, Mr. Smarty-Pants, leap!

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:19 PM

People gotta have it modified before it even arrives from UPS. I'm with ya, DJ. Play, then modify to taste. Don't read about what is "wrong" with it, then "do what you are told."

If PRS thought that the damned guitar needed the heel removed, he'd do it. It isn't like he doesn't know what he's doing, and just slapped that bastard on there so that it'll be in the way. I can't recall even noticing a heel on my PRS SE as having any effect on playability.

Then again, we're on a Les Paul forum - they have the least accessible upper fret access of any guitar known to man - maybe that is why I don't notice it on a PRS.

Point being, Ed Roman is a douche.

That is all.

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loserface300

anyone tried removing a PRS necks HUGE heel?

PRS Guitar Upgrades, Custom PRS Guitars

I made my mind, im going for an SE, which ill have EMGs and a extra volume pot put into, and also maybe have the heel reduced.... anyone in florida perferly?

1. Play it first. The extra volume pot... Why? Do you really use a lot of independent volume on your LPs?

2. Heel reduction. I think I've ranted on that enough already.

3. "Perferly?" WTF are you talking about?

4. The PRS SE guitars play great, and they SOUND great as well. Upper fret access is fantastic. And, try the pickups before you condemn them and go with EMGs. I've had a lot of guitars, and the PRS SE that I used to own had some of the nicest sounding stock pickups I've ever come across.

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 10:25 PM

I love to modify, but I don't think of all the "cool stuff" I can do before it even comes off the boat!

River · 11-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diceman

<snip>If PRS thought that the damned guitar needed the heel removed, he'd do it. It isn't like he doesn't know what he's doing, and just slapped that bastard on there so that it'll be in the way. <snip>

Post of the month, November, 2009.

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River

Post of the month, November, 2009.

Thanks, River.

I drink about once a month. It just so happens that I come up with my "best stuff" when I'm about 6 beers in!

Loserface300 · 11-14-2009, 10:30 PM

yeah... you guys do have a point, but one thing dice, im a minor.... so no beer for meh.... but im still going to consider it ayway.... i not getting the guitar until maybe christmas......

diceman · 11-14-2009, 10:31 PM

Seriously, dude - get the guitar, play it, enjoy it. The heel doesn't need removed. I sold mine for $350 with a hard case. I wish you would have been in the market about 8 months ago when I parted with it.

djwilbanks · 11-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Yeah, I've played a few and the wide neck is more the problem for me than the heel. Ed Roman just makes money off of convincing people their guitars need fixed when they aren't broken.

River · 11-14-2009, 10:53 PM

It's clear to me looking at that picture that the heel is there for strength. I played a '61 SG recently - thing was awesome but

a) the neck had been repaired,

b) it was hard to keep in tune, and

c) not bloody likely it won't need another neck repair some day.

Ed Roman's got a lot of nerve second-guessing PRS on reinforcement when he practically makes a living making fun of Gibons's lack thereof.

bfcg · 11-15-2009, 04:35 PM

At the same area on the neck of a LP it is just as thick or even thicker. Do you own a Les Paul and have you modded that yet?
Check the thickness on your LP at the 16th fret, then compare it to your PRS.
At the 18th fret on the PRS it becomes very thick. At the 17th fret on the LP it becomes very thick.
Looks like the PRS is more playable in the upper registers.

Loserface300 · 11-15-2009, 08:19 PM

I know that, but i did try the se, and i did find the heel area uncomfatable....and really, i dont think its goign to hurt the SE to reduce the heel.... its not like im going to shave the back of it like a neck thru guitar... its th eactual join that holds the guitar, not the heel...

diceman · 11-15-2009, 08:29 PM

Again, Paul Reed Smith knows a thing or two about guitar construction.

He didn't just put it there to be in your way.

It has a purpose.

And, Ed Roman is a douche.

bfcg · 11-15-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diceman

And, Ed Roman is a douche.

One purpose might be what keeps a certain area of the neck less prone to truss rod adjustments.
Think about it.

Loserface300 · 11-16-2009, 04:34 PM

i know he his, but i think he does have some good ideas... not all of them are good... hes a gibson hater.....

11-14-2009, 09:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Heel reductions? anyone tried removing a PRS necks HUGE heel? PRS Guitar Upgrades, Custom PRS Guitars I made my mind, im going for an SE, which ill have EMGs and a extra volume pot put into, and also maybe have the heel reduced.... anyone in florida perferly? __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

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11-14-2009, 09:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
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Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? you cant say its a bad thing... hes got a paoint about the HFH..... __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

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11-14-2009, 10:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? .........why shouldnt i? i did indeed try the se when i went to Sam ash wensday... and that heel is EVIL! __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

11-14-2009, 10:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? I used to own an SE. A "heel reduction," whatever the hell that is, is about the most jackassed thing I've ever heard of. __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

11-14-2009, 10:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? Here comes the big question... Have you owned a PRS? (No) Since you haven't, what makes you think that you need your "heel reduced?" Maybe its the beer, but this sounds ridiculous... __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

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11-14-2009, 10:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? No, he's right. Paul Reed Smith doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Ed Roman could teach Mr. Smith a thing or two. Come on - don't believe the things that you read. And don't believe ANYTHING that Ed Roman has to say... __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

11-14-2009, 10:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 19,638 Thanks: 154 Thanked 270 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? You know, I'm probably the last person to say this, but I will anyway. Whatever happened to just playing the guitar for a while? __________________ On Facebook \| On MySpace Ask me questions anonymously!

11-14-2009, 10:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? People gotta have it modified before it even arrives from UPS. I'm with ya, DJ. Play, then modify to taste. Don't read about what is "wrong" with it, then "do what you are told." If PRS thought that the damned guitar needed the heel removed, he'd do it. It isn't like he doesn't know what he's doing, and just slapped that bastard on there so that it'll be in the way. I can't recall even noticing a heel on my PRS SE as having any effect on playability. Then again, we're on a Les Paul forum - they have the least accessible upper fret access of any guitar known to man - maybe that is why I don't notice it on a PRS. Point being, Ed Roman is a douche. That is all. __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

11-14-2009, 10:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 19,638 Thanks: 154 Thanked 270 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? I love to modify, but I don't think of all the "cool stuff" I can do before it even comes off the boat! __________________ On Facebook \| On MySpace Ask me questions anonymously!

11-14-2009, 10:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? yeah... you guys do have a point, but one thing dice, im a minor.... so no beer for meh.... but im still going to consider it ayway.... i not getting the guitar until maybe christmas...... __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

11-14-2009, 10:31 PM	#23 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? Seriously, dude - get the guitar, play it, enjoy it. The heel doesn't need removed. I sold mine for $350 with a hard case. I wish you would have been in the market about 8 months ago when I parted with it. __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

11-14-2009, 10:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 19,638 Thanks: 154 Thanked 270 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? Yeah, I've played a few and the wide neck is more the problem for me than the heel. Ed Roman just makes money off of convincing people their guitars need fixed when they aren't broken. __________________ On Facebook \| On MySpace Ask me questions anonymously!

11-14-2009, 10:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Foot of Mount Cookie, Colorado Posts: 17,220 Thanks: 105 Thanked 207 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? It's clear to me looking at that picture that the heel is there for strength. I played a '61 SG recently - thing was awesome but a) the neck had been repaired, b) it was hard to keep in tune, and c) not bloody likely it won't need another neck repair some day. Ed Roman's got a lot of nerve second-guessing PRS on reinforcement when he practically makes a living making fun of Gibons's lack thereof. __________________ Contrive to free Tommy.

11-15-2009, 04:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
bfcg Under shop arrest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mountains Posts: 2,705 Thanks: 5 Thanked 40 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? At the same area on the neck of a LP it is just as thick or even thicker. Do you own a Les Paul and have you modded that yet? Check the thickness on your LP at the 16th fret, then compare it to your PRS. At the 18th fret on the PRS it becomes very thick. At the 17th fret on the LP it becomes very thick. Looks like the PRS is more playable in the upper registers.

11-15-2009, 08:19 PM	#27 (permalink)
Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? I know that, but i did try the se, and i did find the heel area uncomfatable....and really, i dont think its goign to hurt the SE to reduce the heel.... its not like im going to shave the back of it like a neck thru guitar... its th eactual join that holds the guitar, not the heel... __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

11-15-2009, 08:29 PM	#28 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,250 Thanks: 487 Thanked 134 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? Again, Paul Reed Smith knows a thing or two about guitar construction. He didn't just put it there to be in your way. It has a purpose. And, Ed Roman is a douche. __________________ MLP member Travis "The Epiphone King" Boleskinehouse proudly endorses Epiphone musical instruments. "All good things come from China - including my guitars." -The Boles

11-16-2009, 04:34 PM	#30 (permalink)
Loserface300 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,107 Thanks: 34 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Heel reductions? i know he his, but i think he does have some good ideas... not all of them are good... hes a gibson hater..... __________________ "When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the Pale Deaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home?"

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