the angel les paul ?

[fallenangel]

well im thinking of bluiding a les paul style guitar only instead it'll look more like this extreamly bad drawling tht i hope gets attached

im thinking of making it from mahagonay, set neck, 24 fret, emg pickups, 2 v 2t and (if youve seen this) instead of a switch it'll have a dail slector like on the high end schetors what do u guys suggest, oh! and ofc its gonna have a floyd rose trem, not sure if im going to put inlay on it or not paint will be a glossy black

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by fallenangel

well im thinking of bluiding a les paul....it'll look more like this extreamly bad drawling....im thinking of making it from mahagonay....it'll have a dail slector like on the high end schetors ....

What country are you in?

[BrianGT]

I would suggest you try a heavy plant hire company.....they will be able to advice more on a Floyd Rose....they are after all agricultural and have nothing to do with guitars.
You might get a bite there.....

[pinefd]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

What country are you in?

Dennis, why not just put this in your signature? I'm sure it will save you at least 1/2 hour of typing each day!

[fallenangel]

usa, and i re-did the drawling on my computer (i was at school...) please use this link to see the picture

[Atomic]

there are a ton of guys on this forum that can make that guitar a reality.. and something really special:

Roman Rist, George M, Tom (alk3,) just to name a couple. poke around a bit and see what you can find out.

[fallenangel]

Originally Posted by Atomic

there are a ton of guys on this forum that can make that guitar a reality.. and something really special:

Roman Rist, George M, Tom (alk3,) just to name a couple. poke around a bit and see what you can find out.

Thanks Atomic, I'll be sure to send them a PM with a link to the thread and get their opinion on my idea.

[pinefd]

Looks like a cool design, fallenangel...although it looks a bit ambitious if you're going to try and tackle this yourself...assuming it's your first build. But rest assured, there are lots of talented, knowledgeable people here who can help you along the way. Good luck, and BTW, welcome to the forum!


Frank

[fallenangel]

thanks Pinefd (Frank) and yes, it is my frist bluid but ive been playing a long time, and i used to bluid furnature :3 so yeah after bluiding about... a zillion in my head i decided to try and bluid one myself, the only thing that concerns me is the wireing, ive never done wireing and im kinda if-y on it, also, the cost of all the parts concerns me esspically the EMG's... :/ pricey...

[dennistruckdriver]

So, how's that English class coming along in school?

[pinefd]

Hah! Dennis, have you always had that "What country are you in?" in your signature line, or did you just add it?!? If you've had it all along, I totally missed it when I posted my above suggestion.

[fallenangel]

lol, English is blah Beowulf... heres a newer pic, decided to make it 27 frets lol i think like jackson has a 27 fret one XD why not me XD just added some details to it and cleaned it up some more.

[pinefd]

Again, nice job on the design. And I know what you mean about the wiring...for some reason, that's where I usually get hung up on a build; maybe because I'm doing something different each time, and I'm never quite sure what the best way to handle it will be. Then when I'm done with the wiring, I'm always relieved and surprised when it actually works.


Frank

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by pinefd

Hah! Dennis, have you always had that....in your signature line, or did you just add it?!?....

I added it at your suggestion.

[fallenangel]

im kinda concerned finding the rotary selector switch ive never seen one before also, anybody know where i can find emg (active) for like less then like 50$

[monsterwalley]

Cool Idea! Also serves two purposes.......

1, obvious....... guitar

2, stage weapon. When those pesky fans storm the stage you can
stick em with the headstock, or chop them into little pieces.
(think Keith Richards)


Looking forward to seeing your progress!

[fallenangel]

Originally Posted by monsterwalley

Cool Idea! Also serves two purposes.......

1, obvious....... guitar

2, stage weapon. When those pesky fans storm the stage you can
stick em with the headstock, or chop them into little pieces.
(think Keith Richards)


Looking forward to seeing your progress!

lmfao.... XD yes! sombody see's its 2nd purpose XD

i need suggestions for nice crunch metal pickups,... EMGs are expensive as hell...

[djwilbanks]

GFS Crunchy Rails- Our Hottest- Modern Metal Power- Black on Black

[dspelman]

Couple of suggestions:

You might want to make this a neck THROUGH rather than a set neck. That would make it easier to get a really good "scarfed" neck joint on the back (and that makes it lots easier to access those 24 frets). It'll also make the guitar stronger (since your design leaves a lot of neck out there in the wind).

Fact is, you could probably go to the Carvin site and start with an NT6 24-fret neck (Carvin.com - Guitars, Basses, Amplifiers & Pro Audio) in your choice of neck woods (standard is maple) and fretboard woods/styles and then just concentrate on shaping the body and the headstock. You've got a lot of carving to do to get the shape you want.

[fallenangel]

thanks for the suggestion, however, lol, im between 27 frets and 24 frets atm, im thinking that a neck through would be better for it, tho a bolt on neck may be used instead simply cuz i have a 22-fret strat bolt on neck tht im not using, so, that way i can just swap out the necks when i can order a custom 24f neck

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by fallenangel

....that way i can just swap out the necks when i can order a custom 24f neck

Sorry, kid, but if you think it's that simple, you don't have the knowledge to 'bluid' a guitar.
How old are you?

[MRJ5]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

Sorry, kid, but if you think it's that simple, you don't have the knowledge to 'bluid' a guitar.
How old are you?

Um I don't know if he has the knowledge or not but it IS that simple. It is done oll the time on Strats and Teles.

The replacement neck is a 27.78 scale length instead of a 25.5 and has 24 frets. It becomes a baratone.

I think the plan, while needing some work, could become a great project.

[dennistruckdriver]

Yes, I knew that, but he did not say ANYTHING about 'bluiding' a baritone.

[dspelman]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

Sorry, kid, but if you think it's that simple, you don't have the knowledge to 'bluid' a guitar.
How old are you?

If you start with a 22 fret strat neck and allow a bit of room between the end of the neck and the neck pickup, you can certainly swap in a 24 fret neck, especially with bolt necks. Most of the 24 fret bolt-on necks cantilever the extra frets out over the body of the guitar. If you've allowed enough space, you can simply bolt on the new neck, assuming the scales are identical. Warmoth has these available...

[dspelman]

Originally Posted by fallenangel

thanks for the suggestion, however, lol, im between 27 frets and 24 frets atm, im thinking that a neck through would be better for it, tho a bolt on neck may be used instead simply cuz i have a 22-fret strat bolt on neck tht im not using, so, that way i can just swap out the necks when i can order a custom 24f neck

Here's the thing -- a bolt neck is going to require a lot of body clunkiness behind those 24 (or 27) frets. And it's going to be tough to make it strong, especially if you have a heavy and dense body hanging off it. That clunkiness makes it far less comfortable to play those upper frets (and have you PLAYED a 27-fret guitar and heard what those last three frets sound like)?

You end up with this at a minimum:



If you go with a neck-through, you can do something like this (this is a 24-fret 25" neck-through Carvin):



Or this (this is a 24-fret 27" scale neck-through something else):

[dennistruckdriver]

Guys....a real luthier could do it, for sure, with no problem. The OP is a kid who 'drawls' guitars, with 'dail'-type pickup selectors, in class instead of paying attention. If he can't read and write, how can he follow any directions, instructions, or suggestions, let alone use precision tools? I would encourage him to, first, pay attention in school and get good grades in his subjects, and perhaps take wood shop class for really learning some basic steps towards how to 'bluid' a guitar correctly.
I sincerely doubt the OP's ability to 'bluid' a guitar; I will be the first to apologize if I am proven incorrect (you guys are my witnesses!).

[fallenangel]

frist off... i bluit the strat i mentioned before, the wireing was a failure tho, 2nd ive seen PRS's with the rotary selector it makes it faster to play (no worries about hitting the swicht) 3rd im taking all suggestions into consideration, a baritone guitar, that i didint know much about, im not exactly sure on how scales and what not effect the sound of a guitar or its intonation, also, i have tooken shop class before :P thats where i bluit the start before, i used the school's machines to do it with.

it was with things like the 27 or 24 fret neck and what type (of attachment) would be best for the tone, and strenght of the instrument, as for the rotary selector, i thought it be a cleaner look, and also give me more options, things like pickups are one thing i was woundering about aswell, ive only used a standered humbucker and singel coil types so im not to sure on what are good "metal style" pickups dirty fingers, EMGs, and black outs are the main ones i know about.

oh!, and i drew up the original plans for it the night before i posted it i only just drew up (via paint) at school using a crapy mouse, when i got home, i re-did the drawling using a better program, and ive a full sized drawling in my workshop in the backyard :P

thanks everybody who helped me up to this point ^^


p.s: im a stright a student :P

[fallenangel]

okay, after some careful consideration from the suggestions of the fine members on this forum I've decided to scrap my "angel" design, and go back to what i originally was going to build a flying v I've drawn up what i scribbled down and Ive gotten everything i think i need to make it playable, what do you think!? i call it the fallen angel V

NECK AND HEAD STOCK!

Style: Agathis
Construction: Warmoth Pro Angled
Scale: 25-1/2 in.
Neck Wood:
* Shaft Wood: Mahogany
* Fingerboard Wood: Ebony
Orientation: Right Handed
Nut Width: 1 5/8"
Back Shape: Fatback
Radius: 10-16" Compound
# of Frets: 24
Fret Size: 6130
Tuner Ream: Schaller (25/64", 11/32")
Inlays: Pearloid Oval
Pre-Cut Installed String Nut: R2 Flyd Prep,Shlf Only
Mounting Holes: Standard 4 Bolt
Finish: Gloss Black


BODY!!!!!!!!!

Model: Agathis V
Scale: 25-1/2 in.
Orientation: Right handed
Wood:
* Core: korina
* Front Laminate: Flame Maple

Control Cavity: Rear Rout
Pickup Rout: Humbucker (EMG) (Neck) - None (Middle) - Humbucker (EMG) (Brdg)
Control Rout:
* Toggle (V)
* Volume 1 (V)
* Volume 2 (V)
* Tone (V)
Bridge Type: Tremolo
Bridge Rout: Rec Orig Floyd Trem
Jack Rout: 7/8" Side
Neck Pocket: Strat® Shape
Mounting Holes: Standard 4 Bolt
Binding Top: Ivoroid Binding
Binding Bottom: Ivoroid Binding
Battery Box: Single
Top Finish: Black Dye
Back Finish: Black Gloss
24 Fret Reposition: Yes

Hardware!
Machine Heads:Schaller M6 locking Machine heads
Nut:Floyd Rose locking Nut
Strings:Ernie Ball Slinky's (pink)
Neck Pickup:EMG or Black Outs
Bridge Pickup:EMG or Black Outs
Bridge:Floyd Rose Original
jack style: Angled strat type jack



PLEASE! tell me if I'm missing anything or if you have anything you'd like to suggest or comment on.

[monami]

i think if the rock world needs grades we are all doomed!
with the right equipment and a simple book anyone can make a guitar.

i like the angel better. that second "v" is like a pair of wobbly buckled legs. kind of the opposite of an angel!

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by fallenangel

frist off... i bluit the strat....the wireing was a failure tho....(no worries about hitting the swicht)....i have tooken shop class before :P thats where i bluit the start before....it was with things like....what type (of attachment) would be best for ....strenght of the instrument....i was woundering about aswell, ive only used a standered humbucker and singel coil types....p.s: im a stright a student...

I rest my case....

Originally Posted by monami

i think if the rock world needs grades we are all doomed!
with the right equipment and a simple book anyone can make a guitar....

Dude has to be able to read to use a simple book.