BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! - Page 4

djwilbanks · 03-25-2009, 05:56 AM

Thanks!

On your Epi: Go for it just be careful not to sand through the veneer.

Regan · 03-25-2009, 02:05 PM

It is looking good, Dave. You know something is up if I say that.

Now if only I could find you a building somewhere to do this so you would get it OUT of my LIVING ROOM!

djwilbanks · 03-25-2009, 04:49 PM

did the dye spill yesterday scare you?

Regan · 03-25-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djwilbanks

did the dye spill yesterday scare you?

yes...yes, it did.

djwilbanks · 03-26-2009, 07:49 PM

Freakin' weather, man. Supposed to rain and storm tomorrow... so no dye going on. Unless the sun comes out and stays out, that is.

purevilpleasure · 03-26-2009, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djwilbanks

Freakin' weather, man. Supposed to rain and storm tomorrow... so no dye going on. Unless the sun comes out and stays out, that is.

Well you can come up to Iowa this weekend, you get snow. Atleast that's what the weather guy says.

djwilbanks · 03-26-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purevilpleasure

Well you can come up to Iowa this weekend, you get snow. Atleast that's what the weather guy says.

I had snow two weeks ago and might get more on Sunday, I'm good, thanks.

djwilbanks · 03-26-2009, 11:00 PM

Just got some great news and some interesting developments!

I want to keep most of a secret, though some already get the idea, I just don't think you guys understand how awesome it'll be!

This is how I feel at the moment:

YouTube - Requiem for a Tower

dogbone94 · 03-26-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djwilbanks

It was the pickup configuration that drew me to it in the first place,

me too.. enough so that i had this made.....

djwilbanks · 03-30-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbone94

me too.. enough so that i had this made.....

That's pretty sick, dog!

dogbone94 · 03-30-2009, 09:38 PM

thanks, i love the p90 but, it won't take the overdrive[mesa tverb] i put through it.... no sweat though, still full sounding in the bridge due to the rosewood neck....
we need progress pics......

djwilbanks · 03-30-2009, 09:43 PM

How bout a quick update?

This is how the top looked after the dye job:

Quite, fantastic if I do say so myself... only problem is it began to spot up on me... and it looked awful.

The photos are kind of blurry even with the macro setting and every light in my house on... but you can make it out somewhat.

So I'm going to get some low grit paper and sand it back, as best as possible, to the bare wood. Then I'm going to have some magic worked on it and I'll spray cherry nitro this time... I've developed a bad taste for the alcohol based dye.

I'm still psyched about the awesome stuff Mike and I talked about on the phone. Rest assured this will be a one of a kind BFG when we're done with it!

djwilbanks · 03-30-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbone94

thanks, i love the p90 but, it won't take the overdrive[mesa tverb] i put through it.... no sweat though, still full sounding in the bridge due to the rosewood neck....
we need progress pics......

See the above.

I was just waiting on photobucket to scale down my 12MP pics.

dogbone94 · 03-30-2009, 09:57 PM

nice jobs.... makes me want to paint my edwards,,,,,

djwilbanks · 03-30-2009, 10:00 PM

Just trade me and you can paint this one, that Edwards is tooooo nice.

dogbone94 · 03-30-2009, 10:05 PM

thats tempting..... i already have a gibson custom so,.... but, what about that gibson dj sig model...?

djwilbanks · 03-30-2009, 10:08 PM

Those sig models are overrated I hear.

djwilbanks · 04-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Okay... so I sanded off that awful spotty dye job... I used 60 grit sandpaper... I got as much off as I could and I'm afraid anymore and there won't be a maple cap left

Here's the results of the sanding. If anyone can give me some advice on how to make sure it stays uniform when I colour it again (dye or nitro) or if you think I just need to go with a solid colour, let me know.

Last, I'm lookin' at you.

Did that look like your "trace" coat of dye?

djwilbanks · 04-01-2009, 04:30 PM

Oops, pics didn't work. Fixed!

Last · 04-01-2009, 07:11 PM

Hey that looks pretty good!

I'd say one of the most important things that you could do now is to NOT lose your enthusiasm!

How does the Maple look wet or just wiped off with some Mineral Spirits?

It that looks good to you I'd go ahead & start spraying your Nitro.

If you're still unhappy with how it looks you could try dying it again but with a much, MUCH lighter coat. I'd use up to one fourth of your original recipe for the dye.

Let that dry then hit it with some 100 grit, 150, 220. Stop there & either go with your Nitro coat or post up some pics of what is not as you like then.

I'm more than happy to help anyway that I can.

After all that is what this forum is all about!

Last · 04-01-2009, 07:15 PM

There is one thing that I've got to mention.

These BFG's were not meant to have the Flame Tops nor bookmatched @ that!

Your top cap of Maple is not the best piece (though it does have the flame) of maple that Gibson would use on a more pricey guitar.

Something to chew on as I think you may be feeling like you should be getting much better results when even Gibson or another re-finsher can only do so much with what they start with.

Hang in there man. Please don't give up!

djwilbanks · 04-01-2009, 07:51 PM

Okay, I'm going broke buying naphtha. What can I use to get the massive amounts of dust off of this guitar? Wiping it with a tack cloth just seems to spread it around.

SiriusAbbott · 04-01-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Okay, I'm going broke buying naphtha. What can I use to get the massive amounts of dust off of this guitar? Wiping it with a tack cloth just seems to spread it around.

shop-vac first

djwilbanks · 04-01-2009, 08:02 PM

Hey, I have a minishop vac in my bedroom. Why didn't I think of that?

Sinster · 04-01-2009, 08:58 PM

You're doing the 2 step as well... 1 step forward 2 steps back.. I'm pulling the little hair that I have out of my head with my project..

djwilbanks · 04-01-2009, 09:18 PM

no doubt about that. I have a full head of hair.... for now.

dogbone94 · 04-01-2009, 10:22 PM

do like carvin and do a triple stain.....
or start with that red, sand it back..... go black, sand it back and then red again... the black will make the flames pronouced....
or maybe not....
personally i like frankies lp 'the holocaust'

WBPickups · 04-01-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbone94

personally i like frankies lp 'the holocaust'

me too!

WBPickups · 04-01-2009, 10:31 PM

man, I have missed some great threads like this since I haven't been around!

DJ, awesome! I am looking forward to the end results. Yeah, keep dying it and sanding it off, it will make the flames more pronounced like Dave said!

Lucky about that nice top hidden there!! Real Nice!

Will

dogbone94 · 04-01-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WBPickups

me too!

wish i had balls enough to do what he did to get to that finish....

03-25-2009, 05:56 AM	#91 (permalink)
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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 16,148 Thanks: 125 Thanked 207 Times in 38 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! How bout a quick update? This is how the top looked after the dye job: Quite, fantastic if I do say so myself... only problem is it began to spot up on me... and it looked awful. The photos are kind of blurry even with the macro setting and every light in my house on... but you can make it out somewhat. So I'm going to get some low grit paper and sand it back, as best as possible, to the bare wood. Then I'm going to have some magic worked on it and I'll spray cherry nitro this time... I've developed a bad taste for the alcohol based dye. I'm still psyched about the awesome stuff Mike and I talked about on the phone. Rest assured this will be a one of a kind BFG when we're done with it! __________________ º\|\|\|\|\|º

03-30-2009, 09:57 PM	#104 (permalink)
dogbone94 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,371 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! nice jobs.... makes me want to paint my edwards,,,,,

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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 16,148 Thanks: 125 Thanked 207 Times in 38 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! Just trade me and you can paint this one, that Edwards is tooooo nice. __________________ º\|\|\|\|\|º

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dogbone94 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,371 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! thats tempting..... i already have a gibson custom so,.... but, what about that gibson dj sig model...?

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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 16,148 Thanks: 125 Thanked 207 Times in 38 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! Okay... so I sanded off that awful spotty dye job... I used 60 grit sandpaper... I got as much off as I could and I'm afraid anymore and there won't be a maple cap left Here's the results of the sanding. If anyone can give me some advice on how to make sure it stays uniform when I colour it again (dye or nitro) or if you think I just need to go with a solid colour, let me know. Last, I'm lookin' at you. Did that look like your "trace" coat of dye? __________________ º\|\|\|\|\|º

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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 16,148 Thanks: 125 Thanked 207 Times in 38 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! Oops, pics didn't work. Fixed! __________________ º\|\|\|\|\|º

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Last Master Crafter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO. USA Posts: 3,466 Thanks: 172 Thanked 50 Times in 26 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! Hey that looks pretty good! I'd say one of the most important things that you could do now is to NOT lose your enthusiasm! How does the Maple look wet or just wiped off with some Mineral Spirits? It that looks good to you I'd go ahead & start spraying your Nitro. If you're still unhappy with how it looks you could try dying it again but with a much, MUCH lighter coat. I'd use up to one fourth of your original recipe for the dye. Let that dry then hit it with some 100 grit, 150, 220. Stop there & either go with your Nitro coat or post up some pics of what is not as you like then. I'm more than happy to help anyway that I can. After all that is what this forum is all about!

04-01-2009, 07:15 PM	#111 (permalink)
Last Master Crafter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO. USA Posts: 3,466 Thanks: 172 Thanked 50 Times in 26 Posts	Re: BFG Refinish -- Flame top?! There is one thing that I've got to mention. These BFG's were not meant to have the Flame Tops nor bookmatched @ that! Your top cap of Maple is not the best piece (though it does have the flame) of maple that Gibson would use on a more pricey guitar. Something to chew on as I think you may be feeling like you should be getting much better results when even Gibson or another re-finsher can only do so much with what they start with. Hang in there man. Please don't give up!

04-01-2009, 07:51 PM	#112 (permalink)
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