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Unread 10-11-2008, 03:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tremolo for Les Paul

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So I am in the modding fever haha I did pretty much everything I could do for the sound (new pickups/new electronics) on My Epi Les Paul Standard so now I want to go at the hardware. I really enjoy playing guitars with tremolos so I figured the best thing other than buying a strat would be a tremolo on my Les Paul. I found some stuff online like a Les Trem stop Tailpiece


which seems to be pretty easy and does not require to drill any more holes in my baby. Which is really one of the things I would hate to do, drilling I might be ok with, but cutting out whole pieces is definitely not on my agenda haha

So the only other option would be a Bigsby

What do you guys think? would the first one of the two work? anybody have any experience? Does the sustain change a lot? Would I maybe need a roller bridge to go with it? something like this :Schaller Roller Bridge at Stewart-MacDonald

or is there another possibility which I did not mention yes?

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Unread 10-11-2008, 07:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you don't need a trem on a lp look at this, it teaches you how

YouTube - How to whammy without the whammy (not by me)
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Hey everybody


So I am in the modding fever haha I did pretty much everything I could do for the sound (new pickups/new electronics) on My Epi Les Paul Standard so now I want to go at the hardware. I really enjoy playing guitars with tremolos so I figured the best thing other than buying a strat would be a tremolo on my Les Paul. I found some stuff online like a Les Trem stop Tailpiece


which seems to be pretty easy and does not require to drill any more holes in my baby. Which is really one of the things I would hate to do, drilling I might be ok with, but cutting out whole pieces is definitely not on my agenda haha

So the only other option would be a Bigsby

What do you guys think? would the first one of the two work? anybody have any experience? Does the sustain change a lot? Would I maybe need a roller bridge to go with it? something like this :Schaller Roller Bridge at Stewart-MacDonald

or is there another possibility which I did not mention yes?

Thank you for your help
I've got that bridge installed as well. You don't NEED one you can use the tune-o-matic, but they do help a little.

I bought this:

Locking Roller Bridge with Bigsby B70 Vibrato at Stewart-MacDonald
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i guess my vid wasn't good enough.
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i guess my vid wasn't good enough.
Oh no it made it to the EPIC YOUTUBE FAIL THREAD in the backstage as the opening post.

Anyways if you have anymore bigsby ?'s PM me.
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you don't need a trem on a lp look at this, it teaches you how

YouTube - How to whammy without the whammy (not by me)
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Re: Tremolo for Les Paul

This is a cool option for a Les Paul. VIBRAMATE™ - Innovative Vibrato Hardware - Made in USA I put one on one of my customers guitars and it worked out really well.
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you could go with a schaller les paul tremolo that mounts directly to the bridge posts with no routing or drilling. http://schaller-guitarparts.de/hp135...o-Les-Paul.htm
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This is a cool option for a Les Paul. VIBRAMATE™ - Innovative Vibrato Hardware - Made in USA I put one on one of my customers guitars and it worked out really well.
that thing is pure genius! ive got to get me one of those
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Why.....Yes that is ingenious...........But what do the users say?
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So I am in the modding fever haha I did pretty much everything I could do for the sound (new pickups/new electronics) on My Epi Les Paul Standard so now I want to go at the hardware. I really enjoy playing guitars with tremolos so I figured the best thing other than buying a strat would be a tremolo on my Les Paul. I found some stuff online like a Les Trem stop Tailpiece


which seems to be pretty easy and does not require to drill any more holes in my baby. Which is really one of the things I would hate to do, drilling I might be ok with, but cutting out whole pieces is definitely not on my agenda haha
That Stewmac trem is only going to give you about a half step trem. If that's enough, fine. I played with the Bigsbys and the Stetsons and all that and finally just threw up my hands and flipped a coin between a Kahler and a Floyd. Since there were people making guitars with the right neck angle for Floyds already, and since there's nothing worse than having some lame-ass trem digging a hole in the top of your case, I just went with a recessed Floyd:

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Put a Floyde rose in like the axis.
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ha i love it when i stumble across a thread and read the first post and then go hey ive got a funny idea, then i see the next post and i already did that funny thing months earlier.
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Re: Tremolo for Les Paul

Stetsbar

expensive, but it has greater range than any other vibratos suggested above. also you can upbend, which is almost impossible for bigsby. just take off bridge and tailpiece then put a stetsbar...done. no drilling or routing needed.

no matter what kind of vibrato you use, you will have to sacrifice your sustain. but if you can set everything up right you can minimize tone/sustain loss.
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Re: Tremolo for Les Paul

I just put a Bigsby b70g on my Les Paul studio this afternoon looks awsome. But alas I just learned of the Stetsbar lol.
This is a vid that explains them...wish i knew earlier but I still love the look of the (temporarily) gold Bigsby. I may try out a Stetsbar on my Les Paul Classic though.
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you could go with a schaller les paul tremolo that mounts directly to the bridge posts with no routing or drilling. Assembly Tremolo “Les Paul” | Schaller-Electronic
That's pretty much the same as the Les Trem. The only difference is that it replaces both the bridge and tailpiece on your LP, meaning you're left with the tailpiece studs (unless of course you have the wrapover tailpiece). The Les Trem replaces just the tailpiece, leaving your original bridge, which IMHO is a neater approach.
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Re: Tremolo for Les Paul

I have a Les Trem on a LP copy and like it. IMO its worth getting however I have yet to find a hardshell that fits a LP style guitar with a Les trem on it. In the instructions it mentions drilling, but it can definitely be installed without drilling. The drilling would be only for the spring. The Vibramate stuff has gotton some good reviews over on the Reverend guitar forum, but with the B5 style for sure you HAVE to get the USA made B5 rather then the licensed import version. I am assuming its the same on the B7 vibramate. Much like the Les Trem the Vibramate plus Bigsby means no drilling for the install. Makes me wish I had not traded off my Epi black Beauty..

just looked over the Vibramte website, the B& one only works with the original B7, not with the B70 or B700
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Just my 2 cents, if you want dive-bomb and pull-up capabilities go “all the way” or “Don’t go”, Floyd or Kahler. Only locking trems will do this and stay in tune, this means locking the strings at or behind the nut as well and of course the dreaded router must come out and play. If you’re only interested in vibrato some of the others mentioned would work fine for you. Happy Holidays
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Almost a necro-post! Sorry, I responded before I read the date. My bad.

EatBacon's post above is a common assumption, but not necessarily true. Floyds definitely made staying in tune easier, but there are some of us who used trems before Floyd Rose came on the scene, and most of us know how to use a non-locking trem and have it stay in tune. Hell - I used to use a Fender Dynamic Vibrato (a pretty nasty trem from an old Mustang) for doing Van Halen in the early '80s. No fine-tuners, no locking nut, never a tuning issue.

It's pretty simple, really. You don't need to lock everything down - just take steps to minimize the things known to cause tuning issues with a trem:

1./ Make sure your new strings are well seated ("stretched")

2./ Keep the number of wraps around the machine heads low - no more than twice around, once if you can get away with it. If you can't get adequate down-pressure on the nut with fewer wraps, using stepped-height tuners like Sperzels, or mounting a thin wedge between the headstock and tuners will lower the post height.

3./ Keep the places where the string can bind (string trees, and nut and saddles) well lubricated

4./ And finally, do what I used to call "tuning to the trem" - tune up to pitch, slapping the bar a little every so often as you go, letting the trem itself pull the strings the last little bit into tune - that way, if you do manage to pull a string a bit flat (which shouldn't happen if you've done everything above), a quick slap of the arm will pull you back in tune.

Of course, neither this method nor a Floyd will help you if you blow a string...
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Dont do it!!!!
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Dont do it!!!!
Meh - a trem on an LP is OK, as long as you don't have to route or make any permanent modifications do to it.
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That Epi is pretty cool.
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Do all of the Kahlers require routing?
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Put a Floyde rose in like the axis.
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Re: Tremolo for Les Paul

Buy a Les paul pro Fx (already comes with tremelo)

If you have the stop bar then get a.

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