The problem with kids these days...

[mattymel]

so ive been teaching this kid for a while, making good progress, he practices. which is more than i can say for most of them. this guy is a TOTAL red hot chili pepper (and more specifically John Frusciante) FREAK. now i have no real issue with them (other than they have pretty much sucked since the early 90s), but i say that they havent done anything to match BSSM, not by a long shot.

but i am tolerant of his obsession and encouraged it for a while, until today. thats when this kid tried to tell me that "frusciante owns hendrix". now i didnt see red, but def yellow. i tried to tell him that without jimi, JF wouldnt know what to do with himself. dont get me wrong, i think JF is a good guitarist, and vastly better than pretty much anybody else kids listen to these days. but i had to tell this kid how it is.

gave him "wait until tomorrow" to learn for next week. cant wait to see what he comes up with for that one...sorry, just had to vent for a minute.

[bigdaddy]

There's an easy fix: Slip the kid a hit of LSD and put on Electric Ladyland. He'll forget all about RHCP.

[twinrider1]

Youth is wasted on the young.

Someday he'll figure out that there's more to it than just technique.

[benjammin420]

Originally Posted by twinrider1

Someday he'll figure out that there's more to it than just technique.

its not even that really. Im a fan of both, but JF cant touch JH in the technical dept (lots not even talk about creativity) this student doesnt seem to me too intiated with Hendrix, after Wait for tomorrow, have him tackle Machine Gun. I grew up as a Hendrix fan next to alot of kids my age who tried to tell me, so and so is better, hendrix cant 'tap', yadda yadda. I still have people try to tell me John Mayer does a better version of Bold as Love

[LongBeach]

I think its more that the kid really isnt that familiar w/ Hendrix.
He's young, and JF is who he admires. Now, shooting off at the mouth
like he did he's young, let it go. You can try to educate him if
you see fit, but your more than likely wasting your breath.

And ya, I've heard kids speak of how Mayer is better than everybody.
poof, whatever, everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG

[mattymel]

i realize this kid is going to be great. he plays pretty much every RHCP pretty well. what he is missing is the subtleties of playing guitar. and i think that is why he has drifted so far to the RHCP side of it. that whole band is lacking in that area. very little in the way of nuance. all hard and fast, loud and normal.

the hendrix thing is so detailed and rhythmically light years ahead, it very hard to pick up on. his picking hand is really where its at. though i still listen to machine gun and am in awe. i have tackled pretty much every other solo at some point or another. but that one is just untouchable. sacred really.

but kids like the stuff that makes them feel better about their own playing. i just think its funny that he GOT to me like that. i guess my main concern is that kids these days just dont seem to really listen. when i was learning i wouldnt say anything unless i was asked.

[zeppelin101]

Im a minor and love the classics like zeppelin, hendrix, cream, pink floyd, and the who! So were not all like that haha

[jimmypagekills]

Gotta love the classics. I'm the only classic rock buff in my class, and God Almighty, I get lot of crap for it. Just try to introduce the younger generation to the TRUE masters, even though they may take awhile to soak in. It doesn't come easy, but the older music sticks with you longer.

[zeppelin101]

Originally Posted by jimmypagekills

Gotta love the classics. I'm the only classic rock buff in my class, and God Almighty, I get lot of crap for it. Just try to introduce the younger generation to the TRUE masters, even though they may take awhile to soak in. It doesn't come easy, but the older music sticks with you longer.

You know the wierd thing is a lot of people in our area like zeppelin. Its identifiable by pretty much every one, even like the more popular kids which is the only reason Im friends with some of them.

I was driving this chick home the other night and Dazed and Confused came on and she recognized it! Then she said how awesome zeppelin was and I think I fell in love

She was hot too!!!!!

[R8R6Ben]

Hendrix blows JF out of the water but you should check out some of John Frusciantes solo albums or search his name on you tube and see some of his stuff.... definitely cool and odd guitar playing

[mattymel]

i used to be WAY into JF. got his first solo album when it came out, right after he quit. love that record. got "to records water...", loved that. but i havent been able to get into any of his newer stuff.

thought it was pretty weird how he put out like 6 records in six months. after each listen i couldnt help but wonder, why not just put out ONE GOOD RECORD? i think he is good, but half the stuff was just some rehashed chord progressions with uninteresting arrangements. believe me, i wanted to like it. im always looking for some good music WITH GOOD GUITAR PLAYING. gets harder and harder to find.

dude should have just quit RHCP a long time ago and put together a SOLID band (with me LOL). RHCP new stuff is so stock its not even funny, and his solo stuff to me just sounds like quantity more than quality. we will see, he is still def somebody that i am willing to give the benefit of the doubt, just NO HENDRIX.

[zontar]

Originally Posted by mattymel

so ive been teaching this kid for a while, making good progress, he practices. which is more than i can say for most of them. this guy is a TOTAL red hot chili pepper (and more specifically John Frusciante) FREAK. now i have no real issue with them (other than they have pretty much sucked since the early 90s), but i say that they havent done anything to match BSSM, not by a long shot.

but i am tolerant of his obsession and encouraged it for a while, until today. thats when this kid tried to tell me that "frusciante owns hendrix". now i didnt see red, but def yellow. i tried to tell him that without jimi, JF wouldnt know what to do with himself. dont get me wrong, i think JF is a good guitarist, and vastly better than pretty much anybody else kids listen to these days. but i had to tell this kid how it is.

gave him "wait until tomorrow" to learn for next week. cant wait to see what he comes up with for that one...sorry, just had to vent for a minute.

Well sounds like he thought that through more than the student I had who didn't like Jeff beck because his nose looked funny.

I was telling him how a lot of the music he liked found it's roots in the Yardbirds and Beck's early solo work. And through them and others from early Aerosmith, and a few other bands.

Without the Yardbirds there never would have been Aerosmith as we knew them in the 70's. (I know they always get the Stones comparison--especially due to Tyler's lips and swagger, but musically and sonically, while the Stones are definitely an influence--I'd have to say the Yardbirds were a bigger one. Without either band though--no Aerosmith)

And without the 70's version of Aerosmith--No GnR or other bands of their ilk.

He didn't believe me. The bands he liked were complete originals with no debt to the past--especially if they had funny noses.

But another kid did look back, and started going through his dad's collection. He discovered Clapton, and wanted to learn some Clapton stuff (Mostly Bluesbreaker stuff, but also Derek & the Dominoes, and then other era Clapton as well.) When he started looking back his playing improved dramatically. He got it, and built on it, and developed a greater love for the guitar. The first kid got disillusioned and didn't stick with it. He didn't want to learn any basics and I wasn't even forcing him to play an Yardbirds.

[st.bede]

it is wierd but we all are getting older and starting to sound like grumpy old men...."when I was a kiid we....."

IMHO, I would mention to the kid that: you never know where you are going to find that killer idea so, I really listen intently to everything...so many guitartist are so into a certian person that they never really get a wide musical prespective and IMHO, thier playing suffers a tad.....IMHO, ultimatly what matters the most is finding that deep musical place inside of your spirt/mind and playing from there.....anyone who does that is as good as anyone else...ie, there is no way to say if page is better the van halen...or if SRV is better then beck....etc....peace

[Quill]

It's a funny thing. I always appreciated Hendrix, but I've always listened with more intensity (let's call it) to other, older players and jazz players. Big Bill Broonzy. Jim Hall. And from the time that Hendrix was playing, I always listened more to Jeff Beck! (Would Hendrix have sat in with Jeff somewhere, like at Ronnie Scott's? I think so - would that that could've been.) But hearing John Mayer try to play Hendrix and doing it so very strangely made me really, finally, love Hendrix's music. Hendrix playing Hendrix, and the music sounds free, like a gift; John Mayer playing Hendrix, and it sounds like a perverted commodity, a sickly, emaciated thing - it makes my stomach hurt, when I hear John Mayer. It hurts to type his name out, but I refuse to pay him the respect of any kind of abbreviation. So enough of that. At least Fruscianti has a bit more substance.

I fully support those of you who are strong enough to take on the problems these poor kids face with their music, and try to help them see a bigger picture and leave behind the garbage and get deeper into more valuable things. I tried too, it's really hard. I might try again, some day. Anyway it's not really their fault.

[mattymel]

yes, well i am thankful he didnt say mayer is better than hendrix. then i would be in trouble, likely jail.

[5F6-A]

have mercy on the kid

[Xtazy]

I don't have a problem with Mayer...The man just pays his respects to those guitar gods that influenced him, nothing wrong with that. It's actually better than playing crap music all the way...I don't think he claimed that he's better than Hendrix or SRV or anyone...where's all this hate coming from?!

[benjammin420]

Originally Posted by Xtazy

I don't think he claimed that he's better than Hendrix or SRV or anyone...where's all this hate coming from?!

i was talking about other people who claim Mayer to be better than Hendrix

[R8R6Ben]

I'm not old....I'm 29 lol

[BlackStrat]

I used to think Hendrix wasn't that great, and my favorite was SRV.

Now, Hendrix is my favorite player and I find myself playing mostly hendrix songs

Back when I first started playing Hendrix:

(Excuse the mistakes, it was a quick one take thing)

You Tube

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[Tuya Customs]

Wanna really hear something outrageous? A friend of mine truely believes SLASH is a better guitarist then hendrix WTF???

[mattymel]

mayer is like the next generation clapton. only he skipped having a decent band (cream) and went straight to the easy listening cheeseball category where clapton is king (of poop). better than crapton, but still a wanker.

[ExpatBrit]

Part of being young is to shoot down the musical heroes of the generation before. We were all that way once, and unfortunately there is very little that is new any more.

John Frusciante is a pretty good hero for a young guitarist (if you discount the drug addiction etc), at least his playing is borne out of a true innovator like Hendrix. Give the kid time, eventually he will look into who his hero's heroes were and discover Hendrix for himself.

[Frails]

Originally Posted by ExpatBrit

Part of being young is to shoot down the musical heroes of the generation before. We were all that way once, and unfortunately there is very little that is new any more.

John Frusciante is a pretty good hero for a young guitarist (if you discount the drug addiction etc), at least his playing is borne out of a true innovator like Hendrix. Give the kid time, eventually he will look into who his hero's heroes were and discover Hendrix for himself.

I agree completely! And besides, who gives a shit who's "better"? It's a completely subjective topic and my guess is that Hendrix himself would be a huge fan of the Mayer's and JF's of the world. You've got to remember that you are dealing with a kid after all. You can't expect ANY kid to think like a well exposed music listener. That's just not fair. There are plenty of guitarists I dismissed as a kid only to mature into their music later on.

[rambler]

If the kid isn't a stubborn little prick he'll do what most do and trace back. I remember starting on Jimmy Page/Hendrix/Tony Iommi and working back to Otis Rush, B.B. King, Albert King and all those cats.. Give him some time :P we all go through fan boi phases

[davebag89]

You know something I don't like? Whenever I'm playing some metal, there will always be some smug bastard going on about how I should be playing blues because metal is a passing phase. I do play blues, I just play metal more, I appreciate most older music, some of it is incredible, some is just crap. I know this seems a bit off topic but bear with me if the kid is really good and likes that style of music he'll discover hendrix eventually, don't try and force it on him or he won't appreciate it properly

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by mattymel

mayer is like the next generation clapton. only he skipped having a decent band (cream) and went straight to the easy listening cheeseball category where clapton is king (of poop). better than crapton, but still a wanker.

[geochem1st]

I love Hendrix and have for over 40 years.

In all honesty, there are quite a few guitarists whose technical virtuosity blow Jimi away... even Jimi would admit it... Vai, Satriani, the guy from Dream Theater, for starters.

Non of their music moves me the way Jimi's does, nor are they as visionary as Jimi was or soulful. Jimi is number one in my book, but lets not get blinded and not see the truth.

[zontar]

One thing to keep in mind is --who were the pioneers?

Sure, all sorts of people do Randy Rhoads stuff in their sleep, but Randy pioneered it.
When Blizzard of Ozz came out--it was like WOW...

So a lot of Hendrix did is the same, but he pioneered it.

People forget that.

They get sick of the imitators, and miss out on what they can learn from the innovator.

And of course Randy & Jimi borrowed stuff from those before them.
And if they had lived they probably would have done some other cool stuff, but they'd still be getting told to the early stuff, and they'd be told they suck now because they didn't repeat themselves for 20/30/40 years.

Respect the roots of what we do--go back & learn from them, and from others along the way--take it all and make it your own.

[80's Rocker]

I love Hendrix and I think he is great so dont get me wrong and all, but I have never really got why he is made SO much of a big deal over. I really dont see how he is really a whole lot better then everybody else. I just don't seem to appreciate Hendrix as much as most people do, I would really like to but no matter how much I try I just dont get it. Is there something I am missing or is just because I am a dumb kid?