how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note

st.bede · 10-19-2009, 12:38 PM

ok....I am thinking of using 1-e-and-a-ta

any ideas?

River · 10-19-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st.bede

ok....I am thinking of using 1-e-and-a-ta

any ideas?

Intriguing question, but I don't quite understand it. Could you clarify, please?

st.bede · 10-19-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by River

Intriguing question, but I don't quite understand it. Could you clarify, please?

1/8 notes 1 and 2 and..... 16th 1-e-and-a 2-e-and-a ...dig

bigdaddy · 10-19-2009, 04:53 PM

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1/8 notes 1 and 2 and..... 16th 1-e-and-a 2-e-and-a ...dig

Yes, but there's no such thing as a 5th note (or a 20th note if you're trying to divided a quarter note into 5ths)...

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 10:55 AM

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Yes, but there's no such thing as a 5th note (or a 20th note if you're trying to divided a quarter note into 5ths)...

you can play five in the space of a 1/4...

River · 10-20-2009, 11:06 AM

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you can play five in the space of a 1/4...

Are they just quintuplets as opposed to triplets? I've ended up doing that unintentionally, but liking the recording and keeping them.

jonesy · 10-20-2009, 11:09 AM

Counting Rhythms

Jason · 10-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Shouldn't you play the music first and then figure out how to write it down? Or am I just really confused by this?

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 11:30 AM

growing up with western music has give me a great internal sense of harmony but our rythms tend to be a bit bland.....so, I have to count to get a feel for some stuff I come across...(especially african poly-rythms...3 against 4 no problem because of jazz)....

yes, I guess they are quintuplets.....now river, can you feel them with rests and ties....for evample hoe we would 16th: 1 e and...or 1 e....a dig? sure if I am just playing all the notes it is easy but when I want to break them up it becomes hard...also, what about shifting emphsises: a great example I came across was with

12/8 [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x]

and then [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x]

and then this [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x]

if you can do that with feel then I am moving back to OR and taking lessons from you because the syncopated emphises s*** is hard for me....

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Shouldn't you play the music first and then figure out how to write it down? Or am I just really confused by this?

you should work from all your strenghts and all your weakness as to be a well rounded musician but, I tend to be lazy and just use my strenghts and one of them is conceptulization...ie: how do other people count quintuplets...I am thinking 1 e and a ta....you?

River · 10-20-2009, 11:55 AM

I think we need a video or .mp3. I'm anxious to hear this.

Jason · 10-20-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by st.bede

you should work from all your strenghts and all your weakness as to be a well rounded musician but, I tend to be lazy and just use my strenghts and one of them is conceptulization...ie: how do other people count quintuplets...I am thinking 1 e and a ta....you?

Ah... well, whatever holds your interest and/or helps you reach whatever goals you have.

For me, personally, learning such things would be like learning Spanish to order from Taco Bell. Yes, I just compared my music to Taco Bell.

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by River

I think we need a video or .mp3. I'm anxious to hear this.

if my carpel tunnel will allow me to internalize them....it looks like my practice run is about over....bummer because I was just getting into some cool African stuff...I will have to take a break from being able to play everyday...hopefully not for too long..you can give it a try and I will try to catch up later...

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Ah... well, whatever holds your interest and/or helps you reach whatever goals you have.

For me, personally, learning such things would be like learning Spanish to order from Taco Bell. Yes, I just compared my music to Taco Bell.

I really do not know what to say....lol....I did live on taco bell for about a month in one of poverty moments.....

River · 10-20-2009, 12:10 PM

Do all five notes take up an equal time period in the single beat?

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 12:21 PM

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Do all five notes take up an equal time period in the single beat?

yes...so in 4/4: 1 e and a ta, 2 e and a ta, 3 e and a ta, 4 e and a ta

River · 10-20-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by st.bede

yes...so in 4/4: 1 e and a ta, 2 e and a ta, 3 e and a ta, 4 e and a ta

Cool. I will try and get something recorded.

Jason · 10-20-2009, 12:47 PM

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Cool. I will try and get something recorded.

Please do. One of you record something because now I have this annoying itch in my brain that wants to know wtf you guys are talking about.

River · 10-20-2009, 12:57 PM

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Please do. One of you record something because now I have this annoying itch in my brain that wants to know wtf you guys are talking about.

Quintuplets is "all", sounds like to me. It'll be interesting to get some recorded, if I can pull it off.

Jimmy Page probably played a lot of them live!

st.bede · 10-20-2009, 01:31 PM

How to Read Quintuplets in Music | eHow.com

still: ta la la la la...will not work well for me

River · 10-20-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by st.bede

How to Read Quintuplets in Music | eHow.com

still: ta la la la la...will not work well for me

I'm going to try "hippopotamus"!

AngryHatter · 10-20-2009, 04:45 PM

One two three and two two three and three two three and four two three - triplets

geochem1st · 10-20-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.bede

How to Read Quintuplets in Music | eHow.com

still: ta la la la la...will not work well for me

because of the placement or lack of placement with accents??

Jason · 10-20-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by River

I'm going to try "hippopotamus"!

So are we talking about the natural cadence of the word hippopotamus? Please say yes, so I can finally know what you're talking about.

I'm thinking "one, two, one-two-three". I don't even really know if that effectively communicates a cadence...

Jason · 10-20-2009, 04:57 PM

I dunno. I use weird rhythmic patterns when I play all the time, some really fast strumming stuff sometimes... I couldn't tell you what you'd call the notes though.

Any musical link to what we're trying to figure out here?

River · 10-20-2009, 05:04 PM

From what OP has said and the links he's provided, I'm assuming we're talking about five equally-spaced beats occurring in the space of one quarter note - similar to a classic triplet in 4/4 time. If I'm right, hippopotamus is "perfect". And Jason, yes, I think your one, two, one-two-three effectively communicates a triplet. I now have a classical riff in my head I can hum that is three quints followed by a sustained single beat ending, but I don't know from which dusty corner of my brain it was dredged.

Mark H · 10-20-2009, 05:36 PM

Not on the school level as Yall but are you saying >> 1-1...1-1-1. The 3-4-5 notes faster to fill a 4/4 beat, just 5/4? OR Whatever it is called?
da da....da da da? Like the main beat on this opening???>>>

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Or the brake...the break can land anywhere in between..? in another position, but still 5 beats? per measure...in 4/4?
OR no brake just ...5/4? if so then Ill shut up.

Jason · 10-20-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by River

From what OP has said and the links he's provided, I'm assuming we're talking about five equally-spaced beats occurring in the space of one quarter note - similar to a classic triplet in 4/4 time. If I'm right, hippopotamus is "perfect". And Jason, yes, I think your one, two, one-two-three effectively communicates a triplet. I now have a classical riff in my head I can hum that is three quints followed by a sustained single beat ending, but I don't know from which dusty corner of my brain it was dredged.

I love coming up with odd rhythms. I've focus most of my attention on rhythms when I play, I don't know if that's common or not... but ever since I started to notice that all genres of western music use the same scales and are differentiated mostly by rhythm, I've just been entranced by it. The rhythm is my logical focus, and the melody is kind of something that I just kind of feel, and it just happens. I think.

overdriver · 10-20-2009, 05:53 PM

WTF has all this BS got to do with rock and roll man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

River · 10-20-2009, 06:44 PM

Hmmmm... seems some posts have been edited, but before I re-read and get sidetracked, here's my take on "quints". I didn't include any rests, just accents, and stumbled on the turnaround as this is a very unfamiliar rhythm to me - but I like it! Who wants to name my "musical accent"?

SoundClick artist: River Bottom Blues Band - Hippopotamus Shuffle

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Jason Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18,568 Thanks: 109 Thanked 176 Times in 37 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note Shouldn't you play the music first and then figure out how to write it down? Or am I just really confused by this?

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st.bede V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 7,195 Thanks: 245 Thanked 203 Times in 80 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note growing up with western music has give me a great internal sense of harmony but our rythms tend to be a bit bland.....so, I have to count to get a feel for some stuff I come across...(especially african poly-rythms...3 against 4 no problem because of jazz).... yes, I guess they are quintuplets.....now river, can you feel them with rests and ties....for evample hoe we would 16th: 1 e and...or 1 e....a dig? sure if I am just playing all the notes it is easy but when I want to break them up it becomes hard...also, what about shifting emphsises: a great example I came across was with 12/8 [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x] and then [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x] and then this [1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x][1 + x 2 + x 3 + x 4 + x] if you can do that with feel then I am moving back to OR and taking lessons from you because the syncopated emphises s* is hard for me.... __________________ "The economy is a system of interdependence."** “Falsehood has an infinity of combinations, but truth has only one mode of being.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau I have slowly morphed into a space alien trying to communicate enigmatic messages to my home world. "to criticize without vision is to be complicitious with dominance" Carolyn Casey "There is no hierarchy of goodness" *Des*

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rural Colorado, USA Posts: 54,522 Thanks: 744 Thanked 847 Times in 77 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note Do all five notes take up an equal time period in the single beat? __________________ River Bottom Blues Band - Music Home of the River Bottom Blues Band

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st.bede V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 7,195 Thanks: 245 Thanked 203 Times in 80 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note How to Read Quintuplets in Music \| eHow.com still: ta la la la la...will not work well for me __________________ "The economy is a system of interdependence." “Falsehood has an infinity of combinations, but truth has only one mode of being.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau I have slowly morphed into a space alien trying to communicate enigmatic messages to my home world. "to criticize without vision is to be complicitious with dominance" Carolyn Casey "There is no hierarchy of goodness" *Des*

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Jason Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18,568 Thanks: 109 Thanked 176 Times in 37 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note I dunno. I use weird rhythmic patterns when I play all the time, some really fast strumming stuff sometimes... I couldn't tell you what you'd call the notes though. Any musical link to what we're trying to figure out here?

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rural Colorado, USA Posts: 54,522 Thanks: 744 Thanked 847 Times in 77 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note From what OP has said and the links he's provided, I'm assuming we're talking about five equally-spaced beats occurring in the space of one quarter note - similar to a classic triplet in 4/4 time. If I'm right, hippopotamus is "perfect". And Jason, yes, I think your one, two, one-two-three effectively communicates a triplet. I now have a classical riff in my head I can hum that is three quints followed by a sustained single beat ending, but I don't know from which dusty corner of my brain it was dredged. __________________ River Bottom Blues Band - Music Home of the River Bottom Blues Band

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rural Colorado, USA Posts: 54,522 Thanks: 744 Thanked 847 Times in 77 Posts	Re: how do you count five in the place of a 1/4 note Hmmmm... seems some posts have been edited, but before I re-read and get sidetracked, here's my take on "quints". I didn't include any rests, just accents, and stumbled on the turnaround as this is a very unfamiliar rhythm to me - but I like it! Who wants to name my "musical accent"? SoundClick artist: River Bottom Blues Band - Hippopotamus Shuffle __________________ River Bottom Blues Band - Music Home of the River Bottom Blues Band

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