Did rocknroll die?

[Robert Arthur]

Originally Posted by Roman4405

I have no idea what you're trying to say. What bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, STP, Soundgarden and AIC did was rescue Rock n Roll from the clutches of the big hair, make up and generic power ballads that dominated the 80's. Sorry not every song was about drinking and banging random chicks and partying but about what the artists and many of their fans were actually feeling.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the argument that "I'm older, you kids just don't understand," is utterly ridiculous.

I too hated the "Hair Metal". Real hard Metal like Priest , Maiden, Dio, WASP, etc had made real traction and the Hair Stuff stopped Metal from ever again being a Dominant form for all the sub-genres and acts, except maybe Metallica. What I Meant was that there was an attitude in those days that bands that played with instrumental virtuosity were old news and "irrelevant" and people like Cobain referred to acts like Pink Floyd as being "Dinosaurs". I personally feel that if Randy Rhoads had lived that Metal would have followed his direction..kinda like Hendrix..

[5-0 phonebooth]

Yep, we lost a lot when Randy died, he was going places beyond Ozzy.

[TheRover09]

Originally Posted by Robert Arthur

I too hated the "Hair Metal". Real hard Metal like Priest , Maiden, Dio, WASP, etc had made real traction and the Hair Stuff stopped Metal from ever again being a Dominant form for all the sub-genres and acts, except maybe Metallica. What I Meant was that there was an attitude in those days that bands that played with instrumental virtuosity were old news and "irrelevant" and people like Cobain referred to acts like Pink Floyd as being "Dinosaurs". I personally feel that if Randy Rhoads had lived that Metal would have followed his direction..kinda like Hendrix..

Punk Rock had started that way before Cobain came around. Cobain taught a generation of kids that you didn't have to be Eddie Van Halen to write a good song. All you had to be was pissed off, and willing to put emotions on a paper. I always thought that's where all good rock n' roll came from. After 10 years of legato sweeps, double hand tapping, etc it was back to basics.

Not to mention that's just Nirvana. Bands like Pearl Jam/Alice In Chains/Soundgarden all have great guitarists who defy that whole "punk rock 3 chord" attitude.

[Robert Arthur]

Originally Posted by Omar291

Punk Rock had started that way before Cobain came around. Cobain taught a generation of kids that you didn't have to be Eddie Van Halen to write a good song. All you had to be was pissed off, and willing to put emotions on a paper. I always thought that's where all good rock n' roll came from. After 10 years of legato sweeps, double hand tapping, etc it was back to basics.

Not to mention that's just Nirvana. Bands like Pearl Jam/Alice In Chains/Soundgarden all have great guitarists who defy that whole "punk rock 3 chord" attitude.

That was cool for them at the time, but the effects have been damaging. The PUNk thing is a joke and a myth. It never really happened anywhere in the uS I have been. It seems to have only "made it" in the pages of Rolling Stone magazine or a couple of clubs in LA or NY. I never saw a Sex Pistols concert T anywhere I have been in the Us. In those days it was about Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, etc.. It's been a real joke to me and most who lived then how a second generation of PUNKERs came out later in the 90's based on something that never really happened. Why did PUNk never really happen? They were in general bad musicians, and if they had a successful song it was always some aggressive anthem. I like those kinda things myself. But can bad playing have staying power? no.

[5-0 phonebooth]

Originally Posted by Robert Arthur

The PUNk thing is a joke and a myth. It never really happened anywhere in the uS I have been. It seems to have only "made it" in the pages of Rolling Stone magazine or a couple of clubs in LA or NY. I never saw a Sex Pistols concert T anywhere I have been in the Us. In those days it was about Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, etc.. But can bad playing have staying power? no.

Punk's genesis was primarily The Stooges, an American hard rock failed institution who's spirit was salvaged as usual by the British thanx to a single Stooges show in London, attended by soon to be starters of the movement called punk which eventually migrated back to the US and capitalized in the form of the infamous Sex Pistols tour. CBGB's took up the gauntlet for the style and the rest was history. Some myth, eh?

[Roman4405]

Originally Posted by Robert Arthur

That was cool for them at the time, but the effects have been damaging. The PUNk thing is a joke and a myth. It never really happened anywhere in the uS I have been. It seems to have only "made it" in the pages of Rolling Stone magazine or a couple of clubs in LA or NY. I never saw a Sex Pistols concert T anywhere I have been in the Us. In those days it was about Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, etc.. It's been a real joke to me and most who lived then how a second generation of PUNKERs came out later in the 90's based on something that never really happened. Why did PUNk never really happen? They were in general bad musicians, and if they had a successful song it was always some aggressive anthem. I like those kinda things myself. But can bad playing have staying power? no.

I always thought that The Ramones were Punk.

I don't see how something that never happened has left behind music and inspiration to future musicians. Just because it was mainstream doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't important.

[riffsmachine]

Bad playin'?

Sex Pistols - There'll Always Be An England (2008 Live From Brixton Academy) - YouTube

Sex Pistols - There'll Always Be An England (2008 Live From Brixton Academy) - YouTube

[MissoulaGriz]

As long as she is still packing em in then I would say Rock-n-Roll is not dead! I've seen her twice in the past year and will be seeing her again in July. She is the ultimate spirit of no-bullshit Rock-n-Roll.

[Robert Arthur]

Originally Posted by 5-0 phonebooth

Punk's genesis was primarily The Stooges, an American hard rock failed institution who's spirit was salvaged as usual by the British thanx to a single Stooges show in London, attended by soon to be starters of the movement called punk which eventually migrated back to the US and capitalized in the form of the infamous Sex Pistols tour. CBGB's took up the gauntlet for the style and the rest was history. Some myth, eh?

Not what I would characterise as enough to start a retro movement based on it's "success"..

[5-0 phonebooth]

Originally Posted by Robert Arthur

Not what I would characterise as enough to start a retro movement based on it's "success"..

You would prefer disco redux?

[TheRover09]

Originally Posted by Robert Arthur

Not what I would characterise as enough to start a retro movement based on it's "success"..

It doesn't matter what you would characterize as enough ; it happened. Dead Kennedys. Descendants. Black Flag. Social Distortion. Bad Brains. Minor Threat.Huskur Du. Replacements, are all great bands. Punk Rock isn't about appealing to the masses, it's about doing your own ****ing thing that you hold dear to yourself.

Maybe that's what rock n' roll has really lost?

[Robert Arthur]

Originally Posted by Omar291

It doesn't matter what you would characterize as enough ; it happened. Dead Kennedys. Descendants. Black Flag. Social Distortion. Bad Brains. Minor Threat.Huskur Du. Replacements, are all great bands. Punk Rock isn't about appealing to the masses, it's about doing your own ****ing thing that you hold dear to yourself.

Maybe that's what rock n' roll has really lost?

I agree. Being so compartmentalised into obscure genres kills the momentum or all rock. Now we're having a punk-like reaction to bands that DO have success. IE: To the re-tread punkers that had their own little scene in the '90s, if a band made money they were done with them. Like Nickleback now. I'm not a fan, but when the "Blackwater" guitar came out, the hate that was shown them amazed me. You would hope their success would make it possible for other acts to get a foothold as well, a la NWOBHM and the "soundhouse tapes", That is what someone is going to have to do. Create their own "scene" and market it boldly like those guys did.

[Eddieblz]

Originally Posted by Lowdown

Rock 'n Roll...Yes.

But not Rock.

And if you don't know who these 3 music icons are,or have never heard or played any of there songs,then you know jack shit about music and oughtta be ashamed of yourself.
Back to school.

Kinda makes you wounder what would have been if the plane wouldn't have crashed. But then again rock is filled with Icons who died before their time and each time a death happened rock seemed to soar to a new height.

[D-POLAND]

I will have to say if you listen to whats popular then lotsa luck findin good/new rock !but there are a lot of not pop stuff out there like bonamassa,walter trout,hamilton loomis,chris duarte,moreland and arbuckle ,there is more rockin going on in the blues joints than you,ll hear on any radio!you need to look around some.when i did its like WOW!rock and roll will never die!

[Eddieblz]

Dam these guys kick a$$ I wish I had bigger ears so I could hear more.

Black country communion - Live over Europe.(2011) avi.mp4 - YouTube

Black country communion - Live over Europe.(2011) avi.mp4 - YouTube

[albertlespaul]

Check out WS with Doug Aldrich, amazing bluesy hard rock just like Led Zeppelin:

Whitesnake - Doug Aldrich Guitar Solo (HD) - YouTube

Whitesnake - Doug Aldrich Guitar Solo (HD) - YouTube

Forevermore (2011) is my favourite record of all time (Rocks by Aerosmith and IV by Led Zeppelin come closely after it):

Whitesnake - Steal Your Heart Away - YouTube

Whitesnake - Steal Your Heart Away - YouTube

Rock N' Roll is alive, but there are too many shitty bands that pose as rock musicians, sing bad and scream like idiots, then a lot of people think "that" is rock music.

[ramurel]

Well, in my opinion, it's just a change in atitude about rock... The times are changin' about "bein' a rocker". I mean, the times when you where in top, rockin' the world, havin' a booze in one hand and beatin' cops with the other hand.... Know what I mean ?
So, my point is the rock'n roll will never die, but the atitude of a rocker is liiiiitle different from the ol' times rockin' years. Specially in music. Today the technology allow lotta guys jumpin' into music, but that's another story...

Tenacious D - Rock Is Dead - YouTube

Tenacious D - Rock Is Dead - YouTube

[old mark]

There is a huge amount of really good music around that gets zero play on radio-or on TV- for whatever reason. Some of it is rock & roll, much of it is based on rock & roll.

Rock & Roll was supposed to have died many times, and we are still having this discussion...


mark

added: I thought this was a joke, but evidently it's not...He hates nearly everyone...

http://christwire.org/2012/03/the-to...eal-your-soul/

[NowGibson]

RnR is fine it's audience has twindled with age and will come around again thanks to younger blues/rock players. Here's joanne shaw taylor taking a broken string in stride.

Joanne Shaw Taylor - Jimi Hendrix' Manic Depression - YouTube

Joanne Shaw Taylor - Jimi Hendrix' Manic Depression - YouTube

and an interview about her influences...

You Tube

You Tube

and one with a Les Paul

You Tube

You Tube

[circles]

1) Define 'rock and roll'
2) Everything changes/The more things change
3) etc

that said; I teach and it's always re-assuring when a student comes in with a Floyd or Zeppelin shirt

[ChaoBreeder]

I believe that Rock is in your soul, sounds cheesy but true. Every time you play an old album or strike a power chord, you're keeping Rock alive. In regards to no good Rock bands today, I would have to disagree. Regardless of how you feel about him, Slash is still playing and making Rock songs. One of his opening acts, Hillbilly Herald are definitely still keeping rock alive.

HILLBILLY HERALD