Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 10:47 PM

YouTube - Gary Numan - Cars

YouTube - Kraftwerk - The Robots

YouTube - Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science

YouTube - Devo "Whip It"

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Drew224 · 01-26-2011, 10:50 PM

'Tis a well know fact. However, I doubt Ric Ocasek would have let that happen.

He produced some of the best guitar-heavy albums of the '90s.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

YouTube - Soft Cell :Tainted Love Music Video

some has been resurected

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PraXis · 01-26-2011, 10:51 PM

I did a show where we covered Cars (I was on keys) and I'm still embarrassed.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 10:53 PM

You can thank these guys for pulling us out of it with this song & then the LA Boom was sparked

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FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew224

'Tis a well know fact. However, I doubt Ric Ocasek would have let that happen.

He produced some of the best guitar-heavy albums of the '90s.

they sold out as well

YouTube - The Cars- You might think

You Tube

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:02 PM

Even the guitar that were around played more keyboard based

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YouTube - Culture Club - Karma Chameleon

Yes even our guitar hero abondoned the guitars

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Drew224 · 01-26-2011, 11:03 PM

Eddie was a tool anyway, imo.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:04 PM

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FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:06 PM

yes even the budwieser singer was around then

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437 · 01-26-2011, 11:11 PM

I don't know how common this knowledge is, but awhile back I remember reading somewhere around here that had Randy Rhoads not died, he planned on departing from Ozzy's lineup fairly soon to pursue more keyboard-oriented music, among other things. I wonder how much that would have changed people's opinions of such a widely recognized guitar legend?

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 437

I don't know how common this knowledge is, but awhile back I remember reading somewhere around here that had Randy Rhoads not died, he planned on departing from Ozzy's lineup fairly soon to pursue more keyboard-oriented music, among other things. I wonder how much that would have changed people's opinions of such a widely recognized guitar legend?

He was planning to persue more classical direction ala Yngwie

437 · 01-26-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

He was planning to persue more classical direction ala Yngwie

Oh okay, that makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew224

Eddie was a tool anyway, imo.

He was no tool in the late 70's early 80's in fact was was the greatest inovator since Hendrix

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Joeydego · 01-26-2011, 11:27 PM

I hate to be the voice of dissent (again), but I feel the 80's were an EXCELLENT decade for guitar.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeydego

I hate to be the voice of dissent (again), but I feel the 80's were an EXCELLENT decade for guitar.

after the LA explosion it went too far extreeme

pure flash n the pan

play a million notes faster & a singer with 6 octive range

people forgot how to write songs till Guns n Roses emerged

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Joeydego · 01-26-2011, 11:35 PM

of course you picked the WORST example! Come on. For the times, Dokken, Motley Crue and others were writing solid hard rock/metal songs. I think the guitar popped like a color tattoo in the 80's, compared to the death blow of disco in the late 70's.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeydego

of course you picked the WORST example! Come on. For the times, Dokken, Motley Crue and others were writing solid hard rock/metal songs. I think the guitar popped like a color tattoo in the 80's, compared to the death blow of disco in the late 70's.

Guitar did comeback after the new wave phase but there was about a 4 year period it was almost done about the time of the birth of Mtv

Quiet Riot & Def lepperd brought metal to Mtv.

Joeydego · 01-26-2011, 11:49 PM

80's ruled!!!!

YouTube - Dokken - Heaven Sent [HQ]

HORRIBLE video, GREAT song!!

YouTube - Journey - Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Talkbox!!!!

YouTube - Bon Jovi - Livin' On A Prayer

A great decade for music. The 90's ended the "learn your instrument" decade and ushered in "3 chord rock, do drugs and play out of tune".

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:51 PM

The 70's guitar never died even during disco

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Joeydego · 01-26-2011, 11:54 PM

True, plenty of guitar in the bee gees stuff, abba and others. No doubt. HOWEVER, theres no denying guitar playing took a healthy dose of steroids in the 80's from the 70's, but then fell off a cliff for a good part of the 90's. What came back a bit in the 90's was TONE, but ability became uncool, sadly.

allbusinessjoe · 01-26-2011, 11:55 PM

I conside the 80s as the having the responsibility for creating the birth of the guitar god. Various playerrs got their start at varous times during the 80s, but many guitarists go their rise during that same time periond: Yngwie Malmsteen; Satch; Vai, Eric Johnson, Carlos Covaso, Randy Rhodes, Warren DiMartinni; EVH, George Lynche; maybe even Ace Frehley. And there was a host of others. I think it's quite possible the 80s gave us the most talented guitar player of all time.

FLICKOFLASH · 01-26-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeydego

True, plenty of guitar in the bee gees stuff, abba and others. No doubt. HOWEVER, theres no denying guitar playing took a healthy dose of steroids in the 80's from the 70's, but then fell off a cliff for a good part of the 90's. What came back a bit in the 90's was TONE, but ability became uncool, sadly.

It fell off the cliff in mid 1980 thru about late 84 keyboards over powered and drum machines

Joeydego · 01-26-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by allbusinessjoe

I conside the 80s as the having the responsibility for creating the birth of the guitar god. Various playerrs got their start at varous times during the 80s, but many guitarists go their rise during that same time periond: Yngwie Malmsteen; Satch; Vai, Eric Johnson, Carlos Covaso, Randy Rhodes, Warren DiMartinni; EVH, George Lynche; maybe even Ace Frehley. And there was a host of others. I think it's quite possible the 80s gave us the most talented guitar player of all time.

A few of these guys were actually 70's guys that didnt become relevant until the 80's. Malmsteen, Rhoads, Satch, EVH, lynch and definately Ace(its painful to mention him in this sentence) were all doing their thing in the mid to late 70's already.

Joeydego · 01-27-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

It fell off the cliff in mid 1980 thru about late 84 keyboards over powered and drum machines

I think technology had some catching up to do as well to give guitar players the rackmount gear that shredders gravitated towards. All those then boutique amp makers like Randall and Soldano were non existent until the mid 80s as well. Sounds got arguable more polished as the decade marched on.

allbusinessjoe · 01-27-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeydego

A few of these guys were actually 70's guys that didnt become relevant until the 80's. Malmsteen, Rhoads, Satch, EVH, lynch and definately Ace(its painful to mention him in this sentence) were all doing their thing in the mid to late 70's already.

Yes, I know. That's why I eluded to that in my post. If you want to get technical, you could say that most 80s guitarists belonged to the 70s because thats when they started making noise in the music industry.

But as far as popular 80s guitarists go, arguably,one might say the 80s produced the most and highest quality players of all time.

Joeydego · 01-27-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by allbusinessjoe

Yes, I know. That's why I eluded to that in my post. If you want to get technical, you could say that most 80s guitarists belonged to the 70s because thats when they started making noise in the music industry.

But as far as popular 80s guitarists go, arguably,one might say the 80s produced the most and highest quality players of all time.

I am in complete agreement.

Lyle Caldwell · 01-27-2011, 12:09 AM

Let me put on my Members Only jacket and remember the guitar albums I loved in the '80s (still do):

The Cars
R.E.M.
U2
The Police
Husker Du
Van Halen
The Pixies
Prince
Rush
Tears for Fears
Duran Duran
The Cure
Sting
Dire Straights
XTC
Mr. Mister
GNR
Talking Heads
The Clash
The Church
Genesis
Journey
Violent Femmes
Peter Gabriel

Yeah, I love a lot of different kinds of music, but all those bands had big hits in the '80s and all featured a LOT of guitar. Excellent guitar.

InfiniteeZ · 01-27-2011, 12:42 AM

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Thumpalumpacus · 01-27-2011, 12:52 AM

I was glad to see the Church on that list. They had great guitar tones. REM from a similar genre, albeit more stripped-down. Husker Du was a terribly underrated band; not much great playing, but huge heart. Golden Earring had a small comeback. Judas Priest hit their stride, as did Maiden.

Now, you can say "Oh, but they were 70s acts", but that's really a No True Scotsman fallacy. They hit their prime in the 80s, and their prime was damned good.

Hey, how come no one has mentioned Metallica, Megadeth, or Anthrax?

Also, if you wish to argue on that logic, you must then give the 80s Soundgarden, Pearl Jam , AiC, and so on. They all got their start in the late 80s.

No, the 80s were good for guitar. Better than this last decade.

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Joeydego V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NY NY Posts: 15,230 Thanks: 208 Thanked 734 Times in 173 Posts	Re: Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's of course you picked the WORST example! Come on. For the times, Dokken, Motley Crue and others were writing solid hard rock/metal songs. I think the guitar popped like a color tattoo in the 80's, compared to the death blow of disco in the late 70's.

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Joeydego V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NY NY Posts: 15,230 Thanks: 208 Thanked 734 Times in 173 Posts	Re: Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's True, plenty of guitar in the bee gees stuff, abba and others. No doubt. HOWEVER, theres no denying guitar playing took a healthy dose of steroids in the 80's from the 70's, but then fell off a cliff for a good part of the 90's. What came back a bit in the 90's was TONE, but ability became uncool, sadly.

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allbusinessjoe Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cinci Posts: 3,509 Thanks: 13 Thanked 102 Times in 41 Posts	Re: Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's I conside the 80s as the having the responsibility for creating the birth of the guitar god. Various playerrs got their start at varous times during the 80s, but many guitarists go their rise during that same time periond: Yngwie Malmsteen; Satch; Vai, Eric Johnson, Carlos Covaso, Randy Rhodes, Warren DiMartinni; EVH, George Lynche; maybe even Ace Frehley. And there was a host of others. I think it's quite possible the 80s gave us the most talented guitar player of all time.

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Lyle Caldwell Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,917 Thanks: 7 Thanked 186 Times in 41 Posts	Re: Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's Let me put on my Members Only jacket and remember the guitar albums I loved in the '80s (still do): The Cars R.E.M. U2 The Police Husker Du Van Halen The Pixies Prince Rush Tears for Fears Duran Duran The Cure Sting Dire Straights XTC Mr. Mister GNR Talking Heads The Clash The Church Genesis Journey Violent Femmes Peter Gabriel Yeah, I love a lot of different kinds of music, but all those bands had big hits in the '80s and all featured a LOT of guitar. Excellent guitar. __________________ Lyle Caldwell Psionic Audio High quality audio effects, professional amplifier services, and custom audio solutions.

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Thumpalumpacus Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 54,744 Thanks: 1,222 Thanked 689 Times in 80 Posts	Re: Guitars almost Died in Popular music in the 80's I was glad to see the Church on that list. They had great guitar tones. REM from a similar genre, albeit more stripped-down. Husker Du was a terribly underrated band; not much great playing, but huge heart. Golden Earring had a small comeback. Judas Priest hit their stride, as did Maiden. Now, you can say "Oh, but they were 70s acts", but that's really a No True Scotsman fallacy. They hit their prime in the 80s, and their prime was damned good. Hey, how come no one has mentioned Metallica, Megadeth, or Anthrax? Also, if you wish to argue on that logic, you must then give the 80s Soundgarden, Pearl Jam , AiC, and so on. They all got their start in the late 80s. No, the 80s were good for guitar. Better than this last decade.

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