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Unread 12-03-2009, 01:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Local World War II Veteran Fights Homeowner's Association - wtvr
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You'd think homeowner's associations would think better of this. Every few months a story like this comes up, and it's always bad PR for those who make up such goofy-assed rules.

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HoA's are a cancer.
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We all agree! Merry Christmas!!!
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Re: WWII Vet Not Allowed To Fly American Flag

He's allowed to fly the flag. He just needs a different flag pole.

And, btw, when he moved into the neighborhood, he agreed to the HOA rules. Maybe he should've payed better attention to the "Do's and Don'ts" of flag poles in that neighborhood.

I'm no fan of facist-like HOA's, but I'm no fan of whiners either.
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He's allowed to fly the flag. He just needs a different flag pole.

And, btw, when he moved into the neighborhood, he agreed to the HOA rules. Maybe he should've payed better attention to the "Do's and Don'ts" of flag poles in that neighborhood.

I'm no fan of facist-like HOA's, but I'm no fan of whiners either.

Its a catch 22, if you don't agree to some arbitrary rule set you can't live there. HoA's in my part of the country are everywhere, they dominate. When the cancer spreads and takes over the majority of the living area, then what are you going to do? Leave the state?

Certain rules are just plain stupid. You make a stand where you can.
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Re: WWII Vet Not Allowed To Fly American Flag

Why should a HOA get to tell me how to live on my property? I'm not renting it from them, I'm not on their land. Imagine if you purchased a brand new guitar and you were told you could not play an Em because some people within earshot are annoyed by that particular chord.

That's essentially what HOAs do.

There are some good things that they do, but for as much good there is usually double the totalitarian grasp of their rules.
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man HOAs are like Stepford, its just unsettling.
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I say bully! Fight the damn HoA...
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He's allowed to fly the flag. He just needs a different flag pole.

And, btw, when he moved into the neighborhood, he agreed to the HOA rules. Maybe he should've payed better attention to the "Do's and Don'ts" of flag poles in that neighborhood.

I'm no fan of facist-like HOA's, but I'm no fan of whiners either.
I'm pretty sure "whiner" or "whining" is not in this man's vocabulary. Read this-

Second Lieutenant Barfoot's official Medal of Honor citation reads:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty on 23 May 1944, near Carano, Italy. With his platoon heavily engaged during an assault against forces well entrenched on commanding ground, 2d Lt. Barfoot (then Tech. Sgt.) moved off alone upon the enemy left flank. He crawled to the proximity of 1 machinegun nest and made a direct hit on it with a hand grenade, killing 2 and wounding 3 Germans. He continued along the German defense line to another machinegun emplacement, and with his tommygun killed 2 and captured 3 soldiers. Members of another enemy machinegun crew then abandoned their position and gave themselves up to Sgt. Barfoot. Leaving the prisoners for his support squad to pick up, he proceeded to mop up positions in the immediate area, capturing more prisoners and bringing his total count to 17. Later that day, after he had reorganized his men and consolidated the newly captured ground, the enemy launched a fierce armored counterattack directly at his platoon positions. Securing a bazooka, Sgt. Barfoot took up an exposed position directly in front of 3 advancing Mark VI tanks. From a distance of 75 yards his first shot destroyed the track of the leading tank, effectively disabling it, while the other 2 changed direction toward the flank. As the crew of the disabled tank dismounted, Sgt. Barfoot killed 3 of them with his tommygun. He continued onward into enemy terrain and destroyed a recently abandoned German fieldpiece with a demolition charge placed in the breech. While returning to his platoon position, Sgt. Barfoot, though greatly fatigued by his Herculean efforts, assisted 2 of his seriously wounded men 1,700 yards to a position of safety. Sgt. Barfoot's extraordinary heroism, demonstration of magnificent valor, and aggressive determination in the face of pointblank fire are a perpetual inspiration to his fellow soldiers.
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Audey Murphy ain't got nothing on that guy...wow.

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Re: WWII Vet Not Allowed To Fly American Flag

Turns my stomach when I hear stories like this.. If you ever get the chance read the book "Geronimo" by William B. Breuer.. It is somewhat of a long read but the things they went went thru in WWII is awe inspiring....

Also "We Were Soldiers Once...And Young" A true Veitnam story...

Then tell those guys they can't fly the flag, no matter what size it is...
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that clip doesn't do the gripe justice. the flag is NOT the little flag on his porch that it keeps showing. he has a full-fledged flag pole in his yard. i think its too much. i understand that he has earned the right (100x over), but thats not normal. those houses look very close together also. not like he has this huge plot of land. better than reading about tiger though!
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That man a whiner?


The HoA should be ashamed of themselves.
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that clip doesn't do the gripe justice. the flag is NOT the little flag on his porch that it keeps showing. he has a full-fledged flag pole in his yard. i think its too much. i understand that he has earned the right (100x over), but thats not normal. those houses look very close together also. not like he has this huge plot of land. better than reading about tiger though!

What he did in defence of our way of life was not normal. Yes he has earned the right.
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HOA's are stupid. IMO

Its a bunch of people that sit around and bitch and cry
about things their neighbor's do that they dislike.

Sure, if they're cooking meth, slining drugs, dogs bark all night, sure, those items
need to be addressed.

But, the majority of bullshit I've heard come from them:

"his tree is too tall, I cant see past it" - tuff shit, its in my yard.
"I think the flag in the window looks tacky" - tuff shit, dont look at it if you dont like it.
"they need to replace their facia board, it looks trashy" - you want to fork over the cash,
feel free, otherwise, you'll wait until I save up enough money.

We actually have one in my building, everybody owns their condo.
And they dont nit-pick about peoples personal B.S. opinions.
Focus on facts, things that need to be done, improved, etc.

Over the past 10 years, I've skipped purchasing 2 nice houses that I could afford
(which is saying allot out here on a single income) because I met with the HOA
appointed board (of that month). I walked out of both meetings rolling laughing.

I'm going to drop $400,000+ on a home, and your going to tell me what type of shrubs
I can & cant plant in my front yard? PISS OFF!
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"Family members say he's the most decorated American combat veteran alive. Barfoot has been awared more than 20 medals, including the Medal of Honor, The Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, The Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.

Wounded in combat three times, Barfoot fought in World War II and in Vietnam."

He should be allowed to have ANY flagpole he wants...Period.

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A true American hero! From Sgt to Colonel the hard way. That rule should be changed.
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It's a 21-foot flag pole, man...the flag he's flying is probably a standard 4x8 flag...

It's not like one of those 80x100 foot jobs you see over a truck stop or anything...although that would be cool as well.

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The people who are trying to stop him are without honour, my grandad is 90, if anyone ever told him he couldn't fly the Welsh flag in his garden, they'd have to answer to me.
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He should be allowed to have ANY flagpole he wants...Period.
Hell, he should have two if he wants.

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Honies, this is what we have come to. “The ‘needs’ of the many far outweigh the rights of the individual. . .” Blah, blah, blah and blah.

Can’t let individualism muck up the cookie cutter order of the little planned community or society in general. Of course you have to get approval from the HOA architecture committee to plant petunas. Whatdayathink, that you are living in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave??

And bigger suprises await you my lovelies as the socialnistas take more and more power. Bigger central government, health care and gun control are only the beginning. . .

You might have thought we already passed through 1984, but in reality its up ahead and coming fast.

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My HOA tried to threaten me with legal action because I had my boat in my driveway for a week while I was working on it. Instead of just asking me why my boat was there, they had their lawyer write me a nasty letter. HOAs can be run by buttmonkeys and nazis, but they usually win their legal battles.

I wonder what neighborhoods would be like WITHOUT their rules? It would seem that sometimes the regulations and people enforcing them are the problem, not the existence of the HOA or many of the rules.
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I wonder what neighborhoods would be like WITHOUT their rules? It would seem that sometimes the regulations and people enforcing them are the problem, not the existence of the HOA or many of the rules.
Some would be fantasic and virtually unchanged, others would have the odd house with a tacky rusted 6 foot chain link fence, inoperable cars on cinderblocks in the middle of the front yard, live chickens roaming the property, and God knows whatever else.
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I heard a story about HOA "officer" where a guy was re-building his backyard deck, and she jumped their fence, and went at it with a tape measure. She wrote to the HOA that his deck was a foot too wide and told him to rebuild the whole thing because of that reason. Some rules are ridiculous, but it's the people who get the power of the notepad that are crazy.
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"Representatives of the homeowners association say that Albuquerque police have no jurisdiction in the neighborhood and that the parking tickets aren’t valid."


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First off the HOA are fools. If this guy was younger, I bet he would take the flagpole down, figure out what he could do in the rules and make the flag even bigger.

I belong to a HOA. I do not pay my dues. Why? The builder is also the HOA president, he doesn't do anyting in the covenants he is supposed to do with the money. What's the worst that could happen? You gonna put a lien on my house that is worth $150 grand less than what I owe? Yeah, that's gonna scare me.

F the HOA. I say this guy should do what he wants.
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