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If I recall, the Olympic committee wanted to pull the event out of Beijing because of ridiculous smog and pollution.
the wildest thing about those Olympics was when NBC superimposed digital fireworks into their broadcast coverage of the opening ceremonies - because their cameras couldn't see the real ones through the smog.

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I'm not interested in the semantics of what true communism is...however you define it, it's antithetical to American ideals and our way of life...

Van Jones shouldn't be involved in ANY way with policy making...IMHO.

Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

In 1994, the young activists formed a socialist collective, Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. They protested police brutality and got arrested for crashing through police barricades. In 1996, Jones decided to launch his own operation, which he named the Ella Baker Center after an unsung hero of the civil-rights movement. Jones wedged a desk and a chair inside a large closet in the back of Paterson's office. He brought in his home computer and ran cables through the rafters to get the operation humming.

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And Carol Browner seems to be a "juuust a bit outside" the norm too, again, IMHO

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Obama climate czar has socialist ties - Washington Times

What happened to the concept that all ideas are welcome? A balanced government should represent all ideologies, or are we too weak to allow that yet?
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What happened to the concept that all ideas are welcome? A balanced government should represent all ideologies, or are we too weak to allow that yet?
Clearly. In our current system, only 1 person is allowed to have ideas at a time, and 47% of people will agree with him, 47% will disagree with him and 6% will remain undecided.
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Clearly. In our current system, only 1 person is allowed to have ideas at a time, and 47% of people will agree with him, 47% will disagree with him and 6% will remain undecided.
That about sums it up.
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I'm not interested in the semantics of what true communism is...however you define it, it's antithetical to American ideals and our way of life..<snip>
I think you should be, because I see much of the problem being that the words "communism" and, more significantly, "socialism" do not mean the same to one person as they do another. Regardless of which definition is "proper", if I mean one thing by it and you interpret it in a significantly different way, you may ascribe to me beliefs, values, intentions, etc. that I may not have in any way, shape or form.

In threads like this that do not degenerate and circle the bowl, it has become quite apparent to me that many members who at first glance appeared to be diametrically opposed are actually in agreement on many, if not most, issues. The "label" words get in the way, and that's why propagandists on both sides of an issue love to use them. They're just cans of benzene to be thrown on the fire.
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There really is nothing nice about USA
You go to the hospital you have to pay
The dollar is the language that they all speak
they don't really bother about the radiation leak

F*CK THE USA

They keep their secrets undercover
the rich don't bother about those that suffer
this ain't the land of milk and honey
cause all they want is money money money

F*CK THE USA

Nuclear bombs are f*ck all new
you'd better start running when they drop on you
run into a shelter, play hide and seek
cause when you die your body reeks

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How about some reasons for Americans why to fly the Chinese flag at the White house?

Gunpowder


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And giving Chuck Norris a hobby.

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Thanks, Gibster! Ahhh, the pause that refreshes.
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I think you should be, because I see much of the problem being that the words "communism" and, more significantly, "socialism" do not mean the same to one person as they do another. Regardless of which definition is "proper", if I mean one thing by it and you interpret it in a significantly different way, you may ascribe to me beliefs, values, intentions, etc. that I may not have in any way, shape or form.

In threads like this that do not degenerate and circle the bowl, it has become quite apparent to me that many members who at first glance appeared to be diametrically opposed are actually in agreement on many, if not most, issues. The "label" words get in the way, and that's why propagandists on both sides of an issue love to use them. They're just cans of benzene to be thrown on the fire.
Very well spoken, as usual.
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Hoisting the Chinese flag, bowing to a Saudi king..

Hiring communist czars,
accepting gifts from Chavez,
throwing Israel under the bus,...

Did I leave anything out?
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And I'm not sure if they realize or agree that they're responding with sarcasm and ridicule (including facetiousness, eh? ), but I don't think they realize that it highly undermines their own argument when people see them do that.
In line with that, I strongly suspect that those folks ACTUALLY don't even like each OTHER very well. (even though they pretend to of course)

That could explain why their talk shows generally can't succeed worth a crap.

But God bless 'em (or 'randomness' bless 'em), you gotta love 'em for their effort.
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Gunpowder
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Paper Money
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And giving Chuck Norris a hobby.

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why is communist a bad word?
it's not 1955 lighten up dude.
who cares if he's a communist?
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and David Duke was the head of the KKK, admitted hardcore racist and white supremist, but elected to be Governor of Louisiana.... we survived. My point, there is room for all of us, not the cherry picked.
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It's not a crime. Better an admitted <fill in blank> than a sneaky-snake lurking around in an under-secretary position at the Pentagon, plotting to take over the world..
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It's not a crime. Better an admitted <fill in blank> than a sneaky-snake lurking around in an under-secretary position at the Pentagon, plotting to take over the world..
i kinda like him now.
i'm not into mainstream politics at all, but i'm stoked that there's a dude that radical in mainstream politics.
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Yes. You left out the apparent fact that when they have no good argument against what you say, those at the end of the spectrum responsible for those things you mention, either refute you with sarcasm or ridicule (when they don't have an argument at all) or else use logic which isn't really logic.

And I'm not sure if they realize or agree that they're responding with sarcasm and ridicule (including facetiousness, eh? ), but I don't think they realize that it highly undermines their own argument when people see them do that.
In line with that, I strongly suspect that those folks ACTUALLY don't even like each OTHER very well. (even though they pretend to of course)

That could explain why their talk shows generally can't succeed worth a crap.

But God bless 'em (or 'randomness' bless 'em), you gotta love 'em for their effort.
Ah, more 'They, they, they...'

Sometimes the only response to intellectual laziness, scare-mongering and bat-shit craziness is ridicule. Try to engage it on any higher level is a waste of brain cells.

Edit: And let me point out for the record that Brian is responding to something he disagrees with - with ridicule!

But it's cool when you do it, cuz you're an 'Independent,' right, Brian?

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Let me respond to this and save your opponents the trouble, LZF:

"That's ridiculous".

"You're a jackass".

"So I suppose you think that Pluto has 12 moons also?"

"So you think Obama's is hiring an all-Communist admin, huh? You're as crazy as Limbaugh and O'Reilly".

"Stay away from Fox News".

"Well, if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, and if you yourself weren't a racist, Jones wouldn't have been forced to get on that petition".

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I think you'll find the Opium wars were befor our interest in Kung Fu movies Gib.
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``We knew there was another event going on, but the timing of the court decision is what dictated when the protest was held,'' said Van Jones, a San Francisco civil rights lawyer who helped coordinate the protest march.
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Let me respond to this and save your opponents the trouble, LZF:

"That's ridiculous".

"You're a jackass".

"So I suppose you think that Pluto has 12 moons also?"

"So you think Obama's is hiring an all-Communist admin, huh? You're as crazy as Limbaugh and O'Reilly".

"Stay away from Fox News".

"Well, if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, and if you yourself weren't a racist, Jones wouldn't have been forced to get on that petition".

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read the real responses it got. nobody's denying it, or caring about it.
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Playing the race card seems to be the last resort....

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Oh, God, Mumia. I'd completely forgotten about him.

But I suppose he is a convenient prop when trying to demonize the Left. Truth is, I don't really care if he never gets out of jail.

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I would consider it gauche to use the same picture twice in such short succession, but boy, I'm sorely tempted.
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