Question about abortion, if you will (now let's be civil-we've done so well)

[dennistruckdriver]

At least I got IBTL.

[alligatorbling]

i do portable xrays on patients that are in a vegetative state every morning... a lot of them have just about every system in there body failing and are in there very late 80s to 90s... with a various machines doing for them what they can no longer do... there is a term for keeping someone alive like that ... "loving them to death"

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by Rikochet

the OP, seems like hes just trying to stir shit up

brian enjoys picking peoples brains and talking in the open about what many often only think about... i like the guy

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

brian enjoys picking peoples brains and talking in the open about what many often only think about....

I don't see the relevance to this forum about this thread. The OP didn't take a stand; rather just 'put it out there' to stir the pot.
This thread has no relevance to anything but causing dissidence.

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

I don't see the relevance to this forum about this thread. The OP didn't take a stand; rather just 'put it out there' to stir the pot.
This thread has no relevance to anything but causing dissidence.

whats the square root of my ass hole dennis ?


i love you mang

[The_Sentry]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

brian enjoys picking peoples brains and talking in the open about what many often only think about... i like the guy

*shrugs*

I suppose. I've seen far more intelligent discourse on the subjects Brian is discussing degenerate rather quickly on forums that were actually intended for that kind of subject matter. And as stated, Brian isn't even posting his own position so much as asking people to expose their own metaphorical arses so he can examine them.

At the end of the day, I don't want someone "examining" my feelings, or telling me how I should and should not "feel" about certain subjective issues like abortion, or racism, or a myriad of other topics that are open ended and that people will not come to a consensus upon.

Maybe some of us like going to a metaphorical proctologist...I personally do not.

I also suspect that some of this subject matter has caused others to voice complaint about the Backstage forum in other threads in terms of overall tone.

Granted, I didn't have to open this thread, but at the same time I can post in here, state that debating this subject on a guitar forum is a complete waste of time and that it will inevitably degenerate into a flame war.

That is currently my hypothesis, check back on me to whether or not that is actually what happens....odds are in my favor.

*Takes big, nasty metal coat hangar, straightens it out, leaves it in thread and moves on*

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by The_Sentry

I wish I could take a coat hangar to this thread...

I love that kind of humor to death!

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by The_Sentry

*shrugs*

I suppose. I've seen far more intelligent discourse on the subjects Brian is discussing degenerate rather quickly on forums that were actually intended for that kind of subject matter. And as stated, Brian isn't even posting his own position so much as asking people to expose their own metaphorical arses so he can examine them.

he did once tell us all that he masturbates too much.

[snaredrum]

"mental deformations should not condemn someone to death."

nor should the possibility of avoiding such an outcome be denied. if a fetus is going to be born that will require constant round the clock care for the 15 or 20 (hell, 50+) years that he/she exists, to the profound (trust me on this one) cost to the parents and itself - what if they're 19 and stupid, you think the kid is going to get the love and care it needs?

before you start in on me, my dad was a teacher of the profoundly disabled for 25 years and is fairly against abortion, although as a rational and intelligent human being, he never says never.

there is never a definite yes or no on answers like this. if you can draw a line, then bully for you, but you are wrong.

as bill hicks said

"if you're pro life, link arms and block a cemetery."

[River]

Originally Posted by The Mick

Ah, you found the door. I'm with you.

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

whats the square root of my ass hole dennis?....

Originally Posted by The_Sentry

....That is currently my hypothesis, check back....odds are in my favor....

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by River

Ah, you found the door. I'm with you.

Please don't lock it Riv

[snaredrum]

is there an emoticon for just leaving through the door? i need it

[whateverlikesgadge]

Ah the old point of at what stage does the spirit enter the body at conception or when the body is developed enough to support the connections to the spirit. After all its just a clump of cells at a certain stage.....There is natural abortion (miscarriage) due to physical problems, or if its just the life force of cell generation you are concerned with then you really should quit masturbation also.....Taking a life is one thing, preventing it from developing is another and late trimester terminations fall into the first category.

What is classed as an abortion, the morning after pill?

Its just better to either abstain of use sensible protection in the first place as the emotional and spiritual trauma can be further reaching than originaly percieved.

And before some judgmental wiseass starts on me YES an ex of mine did have a termination and NO it wasn't my decision and YES I have learned to live with it.

It has taken me many years to come to terms with it and I've learned not to judge others especially women who make that decision.

[geochem1st]

What the hell, I'll bite.

I believe in pro choice. I believe that the government has no right to say what I can and can not do with my body. I believe that I should be able to determine when I should leave this world, and do it with dignity... instead of crapping on myself in bed hooked up to tubes or being reduced to a vegetable.

Conservatives rant about individual freedoms all the time, staunch defenders, so why don't they follow through with an individuals right to the ultimate acts of self determination? Religion? Poor excuse.

To be consistent I therefore support a womens right to determine what happens with her own body.

I don't expect many to agree, but thats ok.

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by geochem1st

....To be consistent I therefore support a womens right to determine what happens with her own body....

The baby doesn't get a vote?

[PraXis]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

The baby doesn't get a vote?

That's pretty much what puts me on the fence.

When it comes to "pulling the plug", it should be mandatory for adults to choose for themselves, in the event of a tragedy.

[#1guitarman]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Yeah, maybe we should allow the mother of the offender to pull the switch?

AMEN...

[Phreek]

I never said anything about the making of laws. I am simply stating my views, my own opinion on moral right and wrong. There are tons of my personal views that I wouldn't ever encourage to be put into law, and I wouldn't support them if they were. I don't expect many other people to see life the way I do, so why would I want them to live like they do? One of my uncles (died when I was young) was severely mentally handicapped and was cared for untill he was 40. His younger brother, my other uncle, has dedicated himself to working with the mentally handicapped. I have my own share of experience with the subject, enough to know that many people consider handicapped life valuable.

I'm done though, originally just wanted to throw my thoughts out there briefly.

Peace.

[DRF]

Theres a couple things I think about this. If its the womans decision to go either way and the man has no say...then he should not be on the hook for child support.

Its a womans choice/her own body,how wonderfully PC liberating...except people who dont believe in the procedure are helping foot the bill.

...and finally,at least 50% of the aborted would've grown up to be prochoice. See,theres a silver lining to everything.

[#1guitarman]

My wife and I tossed this question around about 21 years ago, when she became pregnant with my Daughter, Heather...we awoke in the middle of the night, both of us crying, we had had the SAME DREAM, a little blond girl, playing in a field of flowers,yea, you guessed it, a field of Heather. She had told us she loved us...I now have 2 beautiful Grandchildren from this gift from God...So, I guess my answer to the abortion thing is, "Follow your heart..."
Edit:...Oh yea, and a great Son-In-Law...Kid works his a*s off and takes real good care of his family, a Dad couldn't ask for better...

[PABassPlayer]

Capital punishment is just abortion in like the 325th trimester.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Another creative way of putting it!

[SKATTERBRANE]

If I knew my child would be born with serious birth defects, I would not hesitate to opt for abortion. I am not saying that should be anyone else's choice however.

[#1guitarman]

Originally Posted by The_Sentry

I wish I could take a coat hangar to this thread...

NOT FUNNY...Then again, it's funny as all get out...not to jack the thread or anything, but....Did you ever notice how all the women who protest outside abortion clinics, are women you'd never want to "DO" anyway?? Honestly, I've seen 'em I wonder how they became Moms in the first place...Ohhh, "BEER, Helping ugly people get laid for 200 years..."

EDIT:...See Avatar...

[geochem1st]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

The baby doesn't get a vote?

No.

Life is inseparable from death. "No one here gets out alive".

Since the beginning, when the first organisms were swimming in the primordial ooze, life has been devouring itself, and has continued to do so for the past 3 billion years or so. Its the way of nature.

[damndirtyape71]

Originally Posted by The_Sentry

I wish I could take a coat hangar to this thread...

Wow, just WOW!!

[lowe]

i think those are two different situations, sometimes abortion seems right when the girl isnt mature enough, or theres enough family problems, and cant give it up to adoption. the older person on life support isnt really the same at all, if thats what they said they wanted (to live on support) why would you do something different? its not like the fetus can say, no i dont want to get aborted. because its a fetus, and not a being.

[lowe]

Originally Posted by geochem1st

What the hell, I'll bite.

I believe in pro choice. I believe that the government has no right to say what I can and can not do with my body. I believe that I should be able to determine when I should leave this world, and do it with dignity... instead of crapping on myself in bed hooked up to tubes or being reduced to a vegetable.

Conservatives rant about individual freedoms all the time, staunch defenders, so why don't they follow through with an individuals right to the ultimate acts of self determination? Religion? Poor excuse.

To be consistent I therefore support a womens right to determine what happens with her own body.

I don't expect many to agree, but thats ok.

or, people should be able to get loaded on everything they want, as long as they wont effect anyone else. wont go drive and wreck, wont get so messed up and forget about a person they're supposed to be looking after. or like you said, its your body, if you want to kill your self, no one should stop you. right on geo.

[SKATTERBRANE]

I have said here on this thread that I would elect an abortion if my child had severe birth defects, so obviously I do not take the stance of the "Religious right" and I can see in the first trimester maybe it IS an issue of "no one can tell me what to do with my own body." But at SOME point of the fetus's development, it is no longer just an issue of "the mother's body".