Biggest Tax In American History

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-25-2009, 10:35 AM

The Cap and Tax Fiction - WSJ.com

Al Gore not coming to D.C. - Lisa Lerer - POLITICO.com

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - House Democrats unsure of global warming bill’s passage - Blogs from CNN.com

Will Congress Read Bills Before Voting? - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-25-2009, 10:37 AM

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Even as Democrats have promised that this cap-and-trade legislation won't pinch wallets, behind the scenes they've acknowledged the energy price tsunami that is coming. During the brief few days in which the bill was debated in the House Energy Committee, Republicans offered three amendments: one to suspend the program if gas hit $5 a gallon; one to suspend the program if electricity prices rose 10% over 2009; and one to suspend the program if unemployment rates hit 15%. Democrats defeated all of them.

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The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.

geochem1st · 06-25-2009, 11:19 AM

I agree with you totally on this, its a scam and another way for the Govt., and big business to make boat loads of cash.

djwilbanks · 06-25-2009, 11:31 AM

Whoa... LZF and Geo agreed on something.

::looks around for some horsemen and the apocolypse they're supposed to herald::

diceman · 06-25-2009, 11:32 AM

Wonderful... Thanks for the links.

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-25-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by djwilbanks

Whoa... LZF and Geo agreed on something.

::looks around for some horsemen and the apocolypse they're supposed to herald::

The planets are aligned!

HARDWEAR · 06-25-2009, 09:47 PM

This is totally fucking insane. I'm really at a loss for words. What in the hell is going on in this country?

FrankieOliver · 06-25-2009, 10:17 PM

Now it all begins. Thanks for the links.

SKATTERBRANE · 06-25-2009, 10:17 PM

They want to kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs (middle class US taxpayers) When they finally vanquish us, I wonder what they will do then?

SiriusAbbott · 06-25-2009, 10:44 PM

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,it is its natural manure........Thomas Jefferson

djwilbanks · 06-25-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SiriusAbbott

Tom was a smart guy, eh?

geochem1st · 06-25-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djwilbanks

Tom was a smart guy, eh?

Tom was very complicated guy.

djwilbanks · 06-25-2009, 11:25 PM

Which one of the founders wasn't?

Bing17 · 06-26-2009, 03:06 AM

I certainly didn't vote for any of these people.

This should help GM a lot!

racerratt · 06-26-2009, 05:37 AM

Time to clean house in more than one way.

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-26-2009, 10:08 AM

Strassel: The Climate Change Climate Change - WSJ.com

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-26-2009, 12:30 PM

House Democrats win key test vote on climate bill

SKATTERBRANE · 06-26-2009, 01:04 PM

Global warming will not destroy mankind, Democrats will. (and the Industries that buy them off)

captcoolaid · 06-26-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skatterbrane

global warming will not destroy mankind, democrats will. (and the industries that buy them off)

+1

bildozr · 06-26-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HARDWEAR

This is totally fucking insane. I'm really at a loss for words. What in the hell is going on in this country?

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allbusinessjoe · 06-26-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Global warming will not destroy mankind, Democrats will. (and the Industries that buy them off)

Yeah, that evil democratic sierra club is burning the midnight oil to increase greenhouse gas.

watchunglava · 06-26-2009, 03:29 PM

time to dump some tea i mean some suit and tie wearing thiefs.

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Scooter2112 · 06-26-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by allbusinessjoe

Yeah, that evil democratic sierra club is burning the midnight oil to increase greenhouse gas.

The ship is listing hard to port, Joe. No need to re-arrange the deck chairs.

Mr Insane · 06-26-2009, 05:44 PM

Dear Cap and trade supporters: Fuh Q.

Splattle101 · 06-26-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Led Zep Fan

Strassel: The Climate Change Climate Change - WSJ.com

In case anybody thinks this article adds weight to any debate, here are some facts about the good Senator Fielding:

* he belongs to a mob called Family First, and is nominally independent.
* he was elected on the back of a preference deal that, combined with the proportional voting system used in our senate, saw him come in at no. 6 on the ticket in Victoria.
* the conditions alluded to above no longer exist.
* his term expires in 2010, and he has zero chance of being re-elected.
* he is nominally independent, but votes Tory on nearly everything.
* he is widely regarded as a joke in this country.

His stance on the emissions trading legislation Strassel referred to is pernicious at best. He has been provided with the best scientific advice available, but prefers to listen to think tanks funded by the big coal and oil companies. That is what he was doing in the US. He is bought.

The book by Plimmer, also referred to in the article, was eagerly awaited by the extreme denialist nut jobs, and lampooned by everybody else. It is not part of a rising tide of skepticism, but simply part of the denialist rearguard action.

The legislation referred to above has been delayed in the Senate because the government elected in Nov 2007 does not command a majority in the Senate. The two 'independents' and the opposition can combine to form a majority of one. The opposition took a soft-cock denialist position, then came around to the science, but wanted to delay action, then wanted to amend the legislation, etc etc. They have simply done what they always said they'd do: block it. There are a couple of constitutional circuit breakers that can settle this issue, but the fact of the matter is that the govt's intended introduction date of 2010 was always subject to getting the legislation through Parliament, which meant the opposition would have to be on board.

The delay is a reflection of the party political realities of this country as they have existed since before the last federal election (i.e. late 2007). This is not new. The Tories are in the pocket of big business and don't want to see any action on this, even though there is more that 75% approval among the electorate. There is not a rising tide of skepticism, merely the realities of the mechanics of getting laws made. Without a majority in the Senate, this legislation was going to come a cropper unless the opposition could be brought round.

As Bismark said, you should never see what goes into making law, or sausages.

Strassel does not have a clue what the fuck she is talking about.

bluesjuke · 06-28-2009, 09:16 PM

It's all gotten very bold in the last few months and there isn't even any pretending anymore.

***Led Zep Fan*** · 06-29-2009, 07:23 AM

TheHill.com

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Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) had a few choice words about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) landmark climate-change bill after its passage Friday.

When asked why he read portions of the cap-and-trade bill on the floor Friday night, Boehner told The Hill, "Hey, people deserve to know what's in this pile of s--t."

Scooter2112 · 06-29-2009, 07:29 AM

Another job-killing bill with a lot of garbage thrown in that nobody will fully read, yet vote in favor of anyway.

Mr Insane · 06-29-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooter2112

Another job-killing bill with a lot of garbage thrown in that nobody will fully read, yet vote in favor of anyway.

You must hate the polar bears.

06-25-2009, 10:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
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06-25-2009, 11:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
geochem1st Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NC Posts: 10,233 Thanks: 362 Thanked 373 Times in 107 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History I agree with you totally on this, its a scam and another way for the Govt., and big business to make boat loads of cash. __________________ ... “The power of producing wealth is infinitely more important than the wealth itself.” ~ Friedrich List, 1846 Economic advance is not the same thing as human progress. ~John Clapham, A Concise Economic History of Britain, 1957 “Give me control over a nation’s currency and I care not who makes its laws.” ~Baron M.A. Rothschild

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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 23,537 Thanks: 186 Thanked 352 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Whoa... LZF and Geo agreed on something. ::looks around for some horsemen and the apocolypse they're supposed to herald:: __________________ On Facebook \| On MySpace \| On Soundclick \| On ReverbNation Life is so clenching for the kill, so could you reach down and break my will or am I just too far gone to be saved?

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HARDWEAR Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bush, LA Posts: 1,609 Thanks: 29 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History This is totally fucking insane. I'm really at a loss for words. What in the hell is going on in this country?

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06-25-2009, 10:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
FrankieOliver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,707 Thanks: 502 Thanked 405 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Now it all begins. Thanks for the links.

06-25-2009, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,864 Thanks: 94 Thanked 184 Times in 57 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History They want to kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs (middle class US taxpayers) When they finally vanquish us, I wonder what they will do then?

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djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 23,537 Thanks: 186 Thanked 352 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Which one of the founders wasn't? __________________ On Facebook \| On MySpace \| On Soundclick \| On ReverbNation Life is so clenching for the kill, so could you reach down and break my will or am I just too far gone to be saved?

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Bing17 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Somewhere Between Hollywood and Hell Posts: 1,119 Thanks: 20 Thanked 17 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History I certainly didn't vote for any of these people. This should help GM a lot! __________________ 1974 Gibson Les Paul Standard (natural) 1982 Gibson Flying V (Heritage cherry sunburst) 1997 Gibson J185 2001 Gibson Les Paul Standard (light burst) 2004 Gibson Les Paul Slash Signature (tobacco burst) 2006 Gibson Les Paul 1958 VOS (cherry sunburst) 1998 Gretsch Silver Jet (1957 reissue) 2004 Fender American Deluxe Telecaster (cherry sunburst) 2005 Minarik Goddess (dark burst) A couple of mountain dulcimers A banjo A well stocked home recording studio and a boat.

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racerratt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 303 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Time to clean house in more than one way.

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*Led Zep Fan* MLP Anchorman Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 13,865 Thanks: 265 Thanked 380 Times in 166 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Strassel: The Climate Change Climate Change - WSJ.com __________________

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SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,864 Thanks: 94 Thanked 184 Times in 57 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Global warming will not destroy mankind, Democrats will. (and the Industries that buy them off)

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06-28-2009, 09:16 PM	#26 (permalink)
bluesjuke Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 325 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History It's all gotten very bold in the last few months and there isn't even any pretending anymore.

06-29-2009, 07:29 AM	#28 (permalink)
Scooter2112 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 4,242 Thanks: 57 Thanked 13 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Biggest Tax In American History Another job-killing bill with a lot of garbage thrown in that nobody will fully read, yet vote in favor of anyway. __________________ "Have you hugged your Custom today?" the CS Customs make the Standards sound like a plastic banjo with a live cat stapled to the back! - Hemply, 2009

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