Boycott China, Boycott Korea. Stay away from Guitar Center

[mojofilter]

Today I went to Guitar center, after trying several Gibsons, they were all junk. The Les Paul that's suppose to be the same as mine, was horrible. The frets caught your fingers so bad it actually hurt. It weighed much less than mine, but that's just the beginning.... The other Les Pauls weren't much better, and the cheapest one was at 2,000$.

Anyway, the worst part was that 99% of the guitars were junk China/Korea one's that were just plain crap. It seems they're trying to treat little boys into buying "wanna be" guitars. Almost any guitar that you pick up says made in china in the back.... It seems like they pick the worse Gibsons on purpose, or ask for them to be made like Sh*t.

and the BEST part (sarcasm) are the workers. I watched a GC worker crank the truss-rod like he was tightening a screw! I don't know how many revolutions he made, but it was wayyyyy to much. They hire noobs who don't know anything...

It seems only guitar center is like this... -_-

[FlameThrower]

Does anyone realize that using Chinese products is like using products made by slave labor ?

[NewtoyLPVM]

I guess the guitars that are made in China/Korea are for the "common people" and the made in the U.S.A. ones are for the big spenders like yourself. How much did you plan on spending while you were there? BTW, there's already a "HATE GC" thread here: Guitar Center can suck it. You must live in the boondocks because the three GCs around my neck of the woods have all kinds of Gibson Les Pauls in the $750-$1,500 range.

Originally Posted by mojofilter

Today I went to Guitar center, after trying several Gibsons, they were all junk. The Les Paul that's suppose to be the same as mine, was horrible. The frets caught your fingers so bad it actually hurt. It weighed much less than mine, but that's just the beginning.... The other Les Pauls weren't much better, and the cheapest one was at 2,000$.

Anyway, the worst part was that 99% of the guitars were junk China/Korea one's that were just plain crap. It seems they're trying to treat little boys into buying "wanna be" guitars. Almost any guitar that you pick up says made in china in the back.... It seems like they pick the worse Gibsons on purpose, or ask for them to be made like Sh*t.

and the BEST part (sarcasm) are the workers. I watched a GC worker crank the truss-rod like he was tightening a screw! I don't know how many revolutions he made, but it was wayyyyy to much. They hire noobs who don't know anything...

It seems only guitar center is like this... -_-

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by FlameThrower

Does anyone realize that using Chinese products is like using products made by slave labor ?

Slave Labor/ Prison Labor, and China is STILL communist, they are just making bucks now , leeching on free world economy and buying political influence
I avoid buying chinese when ever possible, I dont care how many US Companies turn there stuff over there, each and all guitar gear and all I wont buy from

[Pwozzie]

I don't give a shit about slave labor. I care about low prices, but if they are making shitty products, then I will shop elsewhere.

[NewtoyLPVM]

Originally Posted by pwoznic

I don't give a shit about slave labor. I care about low prices, but if they are making shitty products, then I will shop elsewhere.

I think the OP just dislikes Chinese and Koreans (and maybe Asians in general) and could give a shit about child labor and price of the products.

[Harpozep]

Duuno 'bout it all, but Wal Mart is China's fifth or seventh largest ( Depends on where you look, but either way... ) partner of export. Thart's ONE COMPANY in the US that China has as one of its largest/greatest partners. GC is nothing on the scale of Wal Mart the category killer.

That store wraps itself in the US flag, has Dale Earnhardt SR as its patron saint, and is busy killing smalltowns, and competition all the while making the Chinese richer. Well, the better off Chinese that is, a lot of them are practically doing the slave labor thing.

So I'm not sure it is America's interest to ever really have a war with China. Wal MArt and its Lobbyists will not let that happen.
The US is a country that just let's other's buy us up from the inside in the name of the "free market".

Well at some Wal Marts, they have guitars........Seen 'em, I have. Made in China they said on them......sigh...........

Like the old proverb, be careful of what you ask for, you may get it. Yeah for low prices.......

[single cut 54]

The same thing has happened in the UK and nothing will change.Britain hardly has a manufacturing industry at all. The big money people in your country and mine will invest wherever they get the best returns.At the moment it seems China is the best place to invest in manufacturing.The rich get richer etc. All I can say is ,I suppose if I had the sort of capital to invest in Industry I'd probably do the same.

[Zaphod]

Chinese factories are not using slave labor. They don't need to.

Chinese are moving by the millions from rural areas to urban areas to get a shot at working in any kind of manufacturing facility. Even with long hours and low pay their lives are better than eking out a starvation existence back on the farm.

China may still be "Communist" (as much as any country ever was) but it has fully embraced capitalism, and there are many opportunities for individuals to improve their wages and the Chinese government is not standing in their way.

[NewtoyLPVM]

Again, Mojo's beef is about GC and he is asking us to boycott China and Korea. By his own admission the made in the U.S.A. Gibson Les Paul was "horrible". He never mentioned if he even tried the foreign-made guitars, he just assumed that they are P.O.S. because they are not made in the U.S.A.

[im_b0r3d_]

Originally Posted by NewtoyLPVM

Again, Mojo's beef is about GC and he is asking us to boycott China and Korea. By his own admission the made in the U.S.A. Gibson Les Paul was "horrible". He never mentioned if he even tried the foreign-made guitars, he just assumed that they are P.O.S. because they are not made in the U.S.A.

I didn't really understand his first post. (No offence..)

[Darkburst]

Originally Posted by FlameThrower

Does anyone realize that using Chinese products is like using products made by slave labor ?

Where do you think your computer was manufactured? Almost all electronics and electronic components are made in China.

[ArchEtech]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Chinese factories are not using slave labor. They don't need to.

Chinese are moving by the millions from rural areas to urban areas to get a shot at working in any kind of manufacturing facility. Even with long hours and low pay their lives are better than eking out a starvation existence back on the farm.

China may still be "Communist" (as much as any country ever was) but it has fully embraced capitalism, and there are many opportunities for individuals to improve their wages and the Chinese government is not standing in their way.

They don't have a capitalist system by any definition, let alone embraced it in any way. They don't have free markets, nor free speech. All of the industry is controlled by the government, which means the economy is as well - controlled and driven by the government. This means that most of the prifit is basically taken by the government. I don't know where you took econ. buy this is by no way a captalist sy stem. They are however taking steps to allow some free market, but in the end their industry is gear towards developing their coutry as a colaborative whole, as a socialist nation. Eventually as has been proven time and time againg the system will fail. Not that our system here in the US isn't going to fail, but I wouldn't call it captalist really anymore either. The are paying slave wages and building up their middle class.

Originally Posted by pwoznic

I don't give a shit about slave labor. I care about low prices, but if they are making shitty products, then I will shop elsewhere.

That is one thing that is hurting us "All I care about is low prices" I do NOT shop at Walmart PERIOD!! They do not pay their employees well, so I shop at Costco, they pay their employees a living wage. It is not alway possible, but I spend with my conscience whenever I can.

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by kink56

That is one thing that is hurting us "All I care about is low prices" I do NOT shop at Walmart PERIOD!! They do not pay their employees well, so I shop at Costco, they pay their employees a living wage. It is not alway possible, but I spend with my conscience whenever I can.

Ditto. I TRY to be that way as well. Not always possible, though as you say.
That's why I'll support a mom and pop music store way before going Guitar Center or Mars ( Thankfully they are gone ).

[Roman Rist]

we live in a world where it is almost impossible to avoid cheap chinese made products.

My beef with instruments is this;

Cheap Chinese and Korean instruments, reduce the acceptance level of a whole new breed of musicians.

It is similar to a kid being raised on MP3s and thinking it is "fine audio".

Thank god for places like this that keep the bar high.

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by RFR

we live in a world where it is almost impossible to avoid cheap chinese made products.

My beef with instruments is this;

Cheap Chinese and Korean instruments, reduce the acceptance level of a whole new breed of musicians.

It is similar to a kid being raised on MP3s and thinking it is "fine audio".

Thank god for places like this that keep the bar high.

Thank you Roman. Well put.
Especially since I rail against the lowering down of music quality every day to some one. At a time where SACD and other forms of technology offer GREATER depth and detail than we have ever had, lossy compressed MP3 style music has taken over the world. It is getting difficult to find some CD, just like it was for vinyl and still is despite some more things coming out in vinyl.

It is simply convenience taking over, as it always wins over quality on a mass level. Thankfully some of us are elitist enough to demand the best and cling to what is clearly a superior sonic product. Too bad song producers compress the hell out of everything these days and make modern music almost unlistenable and very fatiguing. This even happens when some older albums are reissued. "Remastered" is not always a good thing....I could go on and on. Stupid humans, that's all we are sometimes.

[Pwozzie]

Originally Posted by kink56

That is one thing that is hurting us "All I care about is low prices" I do NOT shop at Walmart PERIOD!! They do not pay their employees well, so I shop at Costco, they pay their employees a living wage. It is not alway possible, but I spend with my conscience whenever I can.

Walmart actually pays their full-time employees an average of about 10.50/h and provides decent medical programs.. they can do so because of the sweat shop labor.. the negativity against wal mart is usually attributed to the lack of providing benefits to part time workers.. not many places give you benefits for working part time

But.. the people in the sweat shops work there because they have to, not because they want to.. it's the lesser of two evils.. sew clothes or work in some field.

For the record, I love Asian women... a lot...

I guess I'm so pro-business and pro-capitalism is because I've had a relatively hard life, but I never asked for any handouts. I was raised to care only for my family (and closest friends if they're ever in need), and of course, myself.

So what does that mean? I graduated from college and 2 months later got a 51k/y job at a software company...

I mean my dream job would be to travel with the New York Rangers and just hang out with the players all day and relate the fan experience through a blog, video, whatever.. but that won't happen any time soon..

I'm gonna stick it out in my career and make some good cash doing it... and who knows.. maybe in a few years I'll move up nicely in the company and even double my salary.. it's definitely possible...

My main point is that anyone anywhere can do whatever they want to better themselves, ESPECIALLY in this country... the opportunities are there, but few people are taking advantage of them.. it's kinda funny.. I was the kid in the middle in high school... not popular, not unpopular.. but the popular kids are losers now.. pumping my f'n gas!

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by mojofilter

Today I went to Guitar center, after trying several Gibsons, they were all junk. The Les Paul that's suppose to be the same as mine, was horrible. The frets caught your fingers so bad it actually hurt. It weighed much less than mine, but that's just the beginning.... The other Les Pauls weren't much better, and the cheapest one was at 2,000$.

Anyway, the worst part was that 99% of the guitars were junk China/Korea one's that were just plain crap. It seems they're trying to treat little boys into buying "wanna be" guitars. Almost any guitar that you pick up says made in china in the back.... It seems like they pick the worse Gibsons on purpose, or ask for them to be made like Sh*t.

and the BEST part (sarcasm) are the workers. I watched a GC worker crank the truss-rod like he was tightening a screw! I don't know how many revolutions he made, but it was wayyyyy to much. They hire noobs who don't know anything...

It seems only guitar center is like this... -_-

IMHO this post is almost unintelligible. First of all, "Gibsons" are not made anywhere except in the United States. Epiphones are made in China and Korea. Some of which are awesome. True, Chinese manufacturing is slightly better than slave labour, but not much. And as pretty as the Chinese goverment is painting their picture, China is still majorly repressed, and the "workers," don't have any options than to work for something like $.30 a day, with unfair rules and unsafe conditions. We all have choices that we can make. I choose to buy and enjoy Gibson guitars. And for the type of guitarist that I am, they're amazing. I don't think GC is trying to trick little boys into buying wannabe guitars. I just think that a Gibson guitar hand-built by American Luthiers is out of reach price wise for most general consumers, so Epiphone produces good copies with cheaper parts and building costs that are attainable for most. And as for the quality of employees at GC, I'm sure that the wage paid to a GC employee, doesn't make skilled guitar afficinados rich. So we either pay list price for our equipment, and get skilled and knowledgeable staff, or we grind them down to street whore prices and get "noobs," that are still learning. I'll take the cheaper price, and adjust my own truss rod.

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by RFR

we live in a world where it is almost impossible to avoid cheap chinese made products.

My beef with instruments is this;

Cheap Chinese and Korean instruments, reduce the acceptance level of a whole new breed of musicians.

It is similar to a kid being raised on MP3s and thinking it is "fine audio".

Thank god for places like this that keep the bar high.

Times are nuts, and ethics for many in this country are goin down the tubes, Make a buck , save a buck, Send your biz where ever the labor is cheapest, Dont worry about the materials or the conditions or the employees, just make bucks, This is how Corporate America is treating us, Make Cheap, if it breaks and they want another they will buy it, it doesent have to last. Gibson Les Pauls, were always the high watermark of electric guitars , because of design and craftsmanship . Some Japanese guitar makers have reached that bar , but I havent found a Korean nor a Chinese guitar that comes close. I own three Japanese licensed Replica model guitars, I didnt lower my personal bar of tone and quality standards, the Japanese raised theirs, Since I cant afford super nice vintage guitars, these guitars meet my needs and requirements. BTW , the Japs in the last 30 some years havent threatened to nuke us, as China has repeatedly, they also havent downed and stolen any of our military aircraft, as the Chinese also have

[Swordscythe]

Originally Posted by lp59aholicDon

Times are nuts, and ethics for many in this country are goin down the tubes, Make a buck , save a buck, Send your biz where ever the labor is cheapest, Dont worry about the materials or the conditions or the employees, just make bucks, This is how Corporate America is treating us, Make Cheap, if it breaks and they want another they will buy it, it doesent have to last. Gibson Les Pauls, were always the high watermark of electric guitars , because of design and craftsmanship . Some Japanese guitar makers have reached that bar , but I havent found a Korean nor a Chinese guitar that comes close. I own three Japanese licensed Replica model guitars, I didnt lower my personal bar of tone and quality standards, the Japanese raised theirs, Since I cant afford super nice vintage guitars, these guitars meet my needs and requirements. BTW , the Japs in the last 30 some years havent threatened to nuke us, as China has repeatedly, they also havent downed and stolen any of our military aircraft, as the Chinese also have

-.-

ample threats aside, there's only ever been one country to actually use the A-bomb...

I think one should get the products with the best bang for the buck, whether it's from the U.S., from China, from Mexico, Japan, Korea, Madagascar or from Ghana for that matter. Hindering that country's economical evolution won't benefit anyone. In fact, economical nationalism (which means people who only want to buy products made in their own country) is the worst thing that can happen to global economy, especially in the current climate of globalization.

boycotting a country leads to marginalization of that country, which in turn leads to extremism and anger, which in turn leads to feelings of righteous vengeance, which in turn leads to crashing airplanes into buildings, for instance.

And then you go "Oh my god, that's awful. Why would they do this. They must be evil people." Well, their families starved to death because of your trade embargo. They were kinda pissed.

So, if you think this or that guitar is no good... don't buy it. But don't put the blame on the ones who can't talk back anyway. Finding a scapegoat is easy. Blaming China or Korea for making a lousy guitar is... silly.

don't fear the reaper, baby take my hand

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by Swordscythe

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ample threats aside, there's only ever been one country to actually use the A-bomb...

I think one should get the products with the best bang for the buck, whether it's from the U.S., from China, from Mexico, Japan, Korea, Madagascar or from Ghana for that matter. Hindering that country's economical evolution won't benefit anyone. In fact, economical nationalism (which means people who only want to buy products made in their own country) is the worst thing that can happen to global economy, especially in the current climate of globalization.

boycotting a country leads to marginalization of that country, which in turn leads to extremism and anger, which in turn leads to feelings of righteous vengeance, which in turn leads to crashing airplanes into buildings, for instance.

And then you go "Oh my god, that's awful. Why would they do this. They must be evil people." Well, their families starved to death because of your trade embargo. They were kinda pissed.

So, if you think this or that guitar is no good... don't buy it. But don't put the blame on the ones who can't talk back anyway. Finding a scapegoat is easy. Blaming China or Korea for making a lousy guitar is... silly.

don't fear the reaper, baby take my hand

All those great lofty thoughts you type of, are rarely if ever held by those who have stood to defend and protect a nation. They might work well in theory, but you cant put em into practice in the real world. Wake up and smell the coffee. What causes people to drive planes into buildings is fantacisms , using ignorant uneducated people to do your bidding. When the Chinese Government doesnt like what someone has done, they take em out and shoot em and bill the family for burial and the bullet used.

[coldsteal2]

Originally Posted by Swordscythe

-.-


boycotting a country leads to marginalization of that country, which in turn leads to extremism and anger, which in turn leads to feelings of righteous vengeance, which in turn leads to crashing airplanes into buildings, for instance.

And then you go "Oh my god, that's awful. Why would they do this. They must be evil people." Well, their families starved to death because of your trade embargo. They were kinda pissed.

Hmm, We never boycotted Saudi Arabia? the people that crashed
planes into the US were backed by a multimillionaire who got
his money from his super rich Saudi Arabian father.
All the people that crashed into us were well paid, and put
through flight schools by mr Bin Laden.
But they were Insane fanatics.

I think you need a better example..............

but anyway, has nothing to do with crappy guitars

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by coldsteal2

Hmm, We never boycotted Saudi Arabia? the people that crashed
planes into the US were backed by a multimillionaire who got
his money from his super rich Saudi Arabian father.
All the people that crashed into us were well paid, and put
through flight schools by mr Bin Laden.
But they were Insane fanatics.

I think you need a better example..............

but anyway, has nothing to do with crappy guitars

True enough in this case since Iraqis did not fly planes into buildings but did die because of the embargo ( and a lot of internal nastiness due to Saddam and his cronies ).
The example he used has some value though. Fanatics can gain their fanaticism through a lot of inputs. Being financed and taught by a madman is but one. Though the madman USED the embargo case as justification and the fact that in his eyes Westerners were living on sacred land (US troops in the Unite Arab Emirates, Sauddi Arabia ).

It is impossible to get totally in the head of people who hide behind religion to do evil, that's for sure. It is a form of cowardice I cannot stand, be they far Right wingers hiring assassins to terrorize and kill abortion doctors, or loony Muslims terrorizing and blowing up those they deem "infidels".

It has been and always will be a crazy world.


On the guitar front I do have to say for those starting out now, the guitars made today are so much better than anything I could have dreamed of owning when I started. Most look and play decently, even at $100.00! That same hundred dollars was worth a LOT more when I started in the mid seventies and bought a lot LESS guitar. If that is due to competition from globalization etc, then some good has come of it. perhaps not enough to offset the bad in some manufacturers assembly lines, but we will never know, will we?
That's the joy of faceless consumerism and trade. It does not always sit well with me, but I recognize it for what it is.

I still try to shop mom and pop stores though, when I can. Even they are full of inexpensive globally made products. Just the way things are.

My Burny LP is way cool and a great example of Japanese making fine guitars.

I'm all the happier I own two Gibsons, a Fender and a G&L. All custom made in the USA. I found these guitars to be the best for my needs after owning a number of guitars from other places. They were good, but not good enough.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by ArchEtech

They don't have a capitalist system by any definition, let alone embraced it in any way. They don't have free markets, nor free speech. All of the industry is controlled by the government, which means the economy is as well - controlled and driven by the government. This means that most of the prifit is basically taken by the government.

Almost everything in these statements is factually incorrect.

The Chinese government is taking a very hands-off approach to its industrial build-up, and allowing individuals to amass large sums of money without government intervention. Chinese are now not only allowed but encouraged to own private property and accumulate private wealth.

[Swordscythe]

Originally Posted by coldsteal2

Hmm, We never boycotted Saudi Arabia? the people that crashed
planes into the US were backed by a multimillionaire who got
his money from his super rich Saudi Arabian father.
All the people that crashed into us were well paid, and put
through flight schools by mr Bin Laden.
But they were Insane fanatics.

I think you need a better example..............

You're not really looking at the big picture. History is very important, you know. All this terrorism by fanatics stuff, it's just silly. Everything happens for a reason. Who do you think trained Bin Laden? Who do you think created the Jihad and the Taliban regime and the pan-islamic army for religious freedom to defeat the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War? So you were supporting Israel in exterminating Palestinians and invaded Iraq from Saudi Arabia, hence it backfired... and now you're blaming your own hammer for hitting your finger? Myself, I'm just wondering whether Bin Laden is acting of his own accord, or is still the puppet of your government. I guess the answer is: they found Saddam pretty fast, and he ain't even do anything.

Anyways, better time, better place, I guess.

[NewtoyLPVM]

I am not in favor of boycotting China and Korea solely based on OPs experience with GC.

It's also a big waste of time to argue with a religious fanatics (YOU). And you have turned this into a political and religious debacle.

If you advocate blowing airplanes in buildings and people blowing themselves up in crowded places just because they are pissed at the world, THEN YOU ARE ONE SORRY SICK INDIVIDUAL just like these mother fuckers commiting Jihads. Go fuck yourself.

I think this thread has outlived it's usefulness. Moderator(s), please close and/or delete. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Swordscythe

You're not really looking at the big picture. History is very important, you know. All this terrorism by fanatics stuff, it's just silly. Everything happens for a reason. Who do you think trained Bin Laden? Who do you think created the Jihad and the Taliban regime and the pan-islamic army for religious freedom to defeat the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War? So you were supporting Israel in exterminating Palestinians and invaded Iraq from Saudi Arabia, hence it backfired... and now you're blaming your own hammer for hitting your finger? Myself, I'm just wondering whether Bin Laden is acting of his own accord, or is still the puppet of your government. I guess the answer is: they found Saddam pretty fast, and he ain't even do anything.

Anyways, better time, better place, I guess.

[BOBBO]

Originally Posted by pwoznic

Walmart actually pays their full-time employees an average of about 10.50/h and provides decent medical programs.. they can do so because of the sweat shop labor.. the negativity against wal mart is usually attributed to the lack of providing benefits to part time workers.. not many places give you benefits for working part time

But.. the people in the sweat shops work there because they have to, not because they want to.. it's the lesser of two evils.. sew clothes or work in some field.

For the record, I love Asian women... a lot...

I guess I'm so pro-business and pro-capitalism is because I've had a relatively hard life, but I never asked for any handouts. I was raised to care only for my family (and closest friends if they're ever in need), and of course, myself.

So what does that mean? I graduated from college and 2 months later got a 51k/y job at a software company...

I mean my dream job would be to travel with the New York Rangers and just hang out with the players all day and relate the fan experience through a blog, video, whatever.. but that won't happen any time soon..

I'm gonna stick it out in my career and make some good cash doing it... and who knows.. maybe in a few years I'll move up nicely in the company and even double my salary.. it's definitely possible...

My main point is that anyone anywhere can do whatever they want to better themselves, ESPECIALLY in this country... the opportunities are there, but few people are taking advantage of them.. it's kinda funny.. I was the kid in the middle in high school... not popular, not unpopular.. but the popular kids are losers now.. pumping my f'n gas!

Are you inhaling gas fumes ?? Walmart is the lowest form of life to exist in the retail market !!! Denying overtime pay illegaly ! Most employees in America without health coverage work at Walmart !! They sell products made by Asian slave labor !! Wreck local economies ! Go watch a movie called the high price of shopping at Walmart !! You'll change your tune !!

[Swordscythe]

I am advocating nothing. I am condoning nothing. I am simply saying sometimes it's more complicated than saying "muslims are crazy". In an increasingly racist and nationalist-extremist world, I feel that's important. There are two sides to every story.

As for a religious fanatic, I'm agnostic. As for political, the title starts with "Boycot China. Boycot Korea", followed by a rist of generalizing posts that take far too many assumptions, of the political and economical type.

But I guess I'm just a crazy religious fanatic.

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by Swordscythe

You're not really looking at the big picture. History is very important, you know. All this terrorism by fanatics stuff, it's just silly. Everything happens for a reason. Who do you think trained Bin Laden? Who do you think created the Jihad and the Taliban regime and the pan-islamic army for religious freedom to defeat the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War? So you were supporting Israel in exterminating Palestinians and invaded Iraq from Saudi Arabia, hence it backfired... and now you're blaming your own hammer for hitting your finger? Myself, I'm just wondering whether Bin Laden is acting of his own accord, or is still the puppet of your government. I guess the answer is: they found Saddam pretty fast, and he ain't even do anything.

Anyways, better time, better place, I guess.

Hmm, Funny, I guess your parents or grandparents didnt teach you anything about living under German Occupation, The Same Nation that did originally give Bin Laden weapons and training, also rescued your country from the grips of the Third Reich , Bashing America here is NOT A good idea, and or our policies , I for one dont agree with what my country does abroad , but having you bash us on one hand but lust after products created here is hypocritical , Blame your country for its trade tariffs ect that put the BEST quality Gibsons out of reach for the everyday guitarist in your country ,
Belguim can create and has some of the finest small arms in the world, but they have in turn sold them to nearly anyone who will pay for them . in Every Coupe in the last 40-50 years at least one or more Belgian model firearms could be found , How many Belgian guitars and or amps have been found at any major music event, and or with any major recording artist, ZERO !