Interesting Paypal Scam that almost got me....

[bigwebb83]

So I have some pedals posted here, and a few other forums. I had a guy make an offer on two pedals. It was a very fair offer so I jumped on it. He then asked me if I could overnight the pedals since he had a gig tomorrow and all of his gear just got stolen. First red flag. I told him if he would gift me the money instead that I could swing the overnight shipping since it would save me a good deal on paypal fees. So the guy agrees. a couple hours go by and still no payment. So I tell him to hury up or your shit aint shippin tomorrow. Finally payment comes through. It isn't gift. I tell the guy that he's going to have to kick in the difference or I can refund him and he can resend as gift. He says, just don't worry about the overnight thing. COOL! Thats like 30 bucks back in my pocket! So then he asks me to ship to this other address because he moved and was living with his GF blah blah blah. Unconfirmed address of course. Another red flag. So I tell him I'm really a bit nervous about this transaction blah blah blah and we go back and forth and he explains why the address isn't confirmed etc. So I'm seeing green at this point and just want to pocket the money from the two pedals so I get them boxed up.

Well, this morning a member on here and that other forum contacted me and asked me if I had been dealing with this guy and if I thought it was weird? I told him I have been but I think everything might be ok. I do a little more digging just to be safe though.

I go back and look at the paypal transaction. Down in the notes it says "payment for racing headers, y pipe and some other car crap". So that's strike three. Now I just wanna see what your game is. So I emailed the paypal addy to see what was up.

Here's what this F*ckstick is doing. He sells imaginary car performance parts on a car forum for an amount that matches up to what he owes someone on a guitar forum for pedals. He tells the guy buying the car parts to send the payment to my paypal address. That way, if everything goes through, he get's his pedals and by the time the other guy figures out his parts aint coming, he files a paypal claim and I have to refund him. Meanwhile joe C0cksucker over there has made off with $350 worth of gear.

Now if I could only figure out a way to get this guy good....

[Fireproof]

Wow - that's pretty sneaky. I haven't heard of that scam yet. Good to know. Glad you didn't get duped.

[colchar]

This guy was from the other forum right?

And good of you to post this info here so that others can be on the lookout.

[CHUNKYNECK]

That sucks, cheers for the heads up. I'd be hunting for the guy to f-ck him up.

[MeKevin]

Thanks for the info. 5 star thread.

[Thundergod]

Ok I'll read it three more times 'cause I didn't get it the first time.

Tell me if I'm wrong... He buys from you and sells to another guy and has the guy pay you?

Is there a chance it is not a scam? I mean, maybe he really sold the parts to the guy and told him instead of paying him he should pay you. Don't know why he'd do that but isn't it a possibility?

I'm asking this because most of the time when I buy from eBay I ask the seller to ship to a different address. I do this to save on shipping because I don't live in the US but go there a lot, si I buy things and have the. Sent to my address there (which is unconfirmed as none of my credit cards have that one as billing address).

Am I acting suspicious? No seller has had a problem with that ever.

[redcoats1976]

send him a pedal box with some plastic explosive in it...he puts in the battery and steps on it...BOOM

[Thundergod]

Did he give you an address for the pedals to be sent to? If so then you can send a box of shit to him.


Is there any chance he was actually sending the car parts to the other guy?

[River side]

Name names!

[Howard2k]

Originally Posted by Thundergod

Ok I'll read it three more times 'cause I didn't get it the first time.

Tell me if I'm wrong... He buys from you and sells to another guy and has the guy pay you?

Is there a chance it is not a scam? I mean, maybe he really sold the parts to the guy and told him instead of paying him he should pay you. Don't know why he'd do that but isn't it a possibility?

I'm asking this because most of the time when I buy from eBay I ask the seller to ship to a different address. I do this to save on shipping because I don't live in the US but go there a lot, si I buy things and have the. Sent to my address there (which is unconfirmed as none of my credit cards have that one as billing address).

Am I acting suspicious? No seller has had a problem with that ever.

I'm the bad guy.

I go to a car forum and advertise some non-existant shit for sale. User Mustang1 says "Hey, I'm keen!". I say "ok, please stand by and I'll send you payment information.".

I then offer to buy a guitar from you, for the same amount of money, or thereabouts. I make the offer, you accept.

I then tell you "ok, I'm sending the money via Paypal".

I then tell Mustang1 to send his $100 to you, via Paypal. Only he thinks it's me, I just gave him your paypal ID.


You get payment, send guitar to his non-confirmed address.
Mustang1 sent his money but never gets his parts. He files a complaint, eventually. Paypal reverse the transaction. YOU now have no guitar and no money. Mustang1 got his money back. He got the guitar. You got ****ed.

There are some obvious ways to make this work better, the OP must have contacted the original payer at his paypal address, as opposed to the scammer? If that happens, you're in trouble.


Mustang1 ----> Cash ----> You.
You ----> Guitar ----> Scammer.
Mustang1 <---- Transcation reversed via paypal, money returned <---- You.

Mustang1 gets his money back
Scammer gets guitar.
You get shit.

[Thundergod]

Thanks dude. Just what I thought. But I was wondering if maybe there was any chance he was just trying to save on PayPal fees or something?

[Howard2k]

Originally Posted by Thundergod

Thanks dude. Just what I thought. But I was wondering if maybe there was any chance he was just trying to save on PayPal fees or something?

If it was legit you'd have to have all three parties on board with it. It's possible, but spectacularly unlikely. But you're right, possible.

If that is the case it's certainly a breach of trust.

[River side]

You gotta do your cooking by the book - else you get screwed.

Good eye for the scam.

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[Thundergod]

Originally Posted by Howard2k

If it was legit you'd have to have all three parties on board with it. It's possible, but spectacularly unlikely. But you're right, possible.

If that is the case it's certainly a breach of trust.

Agreed. I wouldn't feel comfortable dealing with someone that didn't say everything at the start.

[BillB1960]

Originally Posted by River side

Name names!

Agree!

Put a name to this assclown.

[Thundergod]

Originally Posted by River side

Name names!

That would be against the forum rules. He's got to try and sort it out with the guy, then through the mods and then if they see there's no way of solving it and the planets are aligned the right way, only then you can post the name of a scammer.

[Howard2k]

Originally Posted by fatcat3344

i dont have anything to hide, and i told daniel that i was having the other guy pay him for the pedals so becuase i didnt have a paypal account, I REALLY was selleing the guy the headers and ypipe (im not now because he thinks im trying to **** him) i was just trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, hell all together that would equal like 60 bucks or so in paypal fees, which would be money in my pocket! Idk about you guys but 60 freakin bucks is alot of money to my ass. I even told daniel this and he just thinks im lieing now. I guess if i were upfront with him then maybe it would have worked out different but probably not since that would even sound fishy. I understand that it sounds like a scam and if i didnt want to i wouldnt have to send the guy the car parts but im not out to rip anyone off. Everything i told daniel was true besides that being my paypal account. Belive what you want but that is my story and i have nothing to hide. All the info i gave him was my real info. so take it how you want...

if you have any questions pm me or my email is fatcat3344@gmail.com id be more than glad to answer any question you have..

-CJ

Wow. Next time maybe just try being honest and up front?

[Thundergod]

Originally Posted by fatcat3344

i dont have anything to hide, and i told daniel that i was having the other guy pay him for the pedals so becuase i didnt have a paypal account, I REALLY was selleing the guy the headers and ypipe (im not now because he thinks im trying to **** him) i was just trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, hell all together that would equal like 60 bucks or so in paypal fees, which would be money in my pocket! Idk about you guys but 60 freakin bucks is alot of money to my ass. I even told daniel this and he just thinks im lieing now. I guess if i were upfront with him then maybe it would have worked out different but probably not since that would even sound fishy. I understand that it sounds like a scam and if i didnt want to i wouldnt have to send the guy the car parts but im not out to rip anyone off. Everything i told daniel was true besides that being my paypal account. Belive what you want but that is my story and i have nothing to hide. All the info i gave him was my real info. so take it how you want...

if you have any questions pm me or my email is fatcat3344@gmail.com id be more than glad to answer any question you have..

-CJ

Dude, if you had nothing to hide then you should have hidden nothing.

Just like I said before: I always have things shipped to a different address than my billin address. Sometimes it's to a friend's house or to his parents' house, mostly because the doorman at the place I stay at in the US is a dick and has lost packages before (it's my moms apt and I'm the one who uses it the most).

So I have 3 addresses in the US I give people when buying something. I always say that up front. I never make an offer without contacting the seller first and telling him this. No seller has ever had a problem with that but that's because I contact them before doing business and tell them shipping to my country would be costly and unsafe (things would probably get damaged or stolen).

Next time say it all up front, you have nothing to lose.

[Thundergod]

Originally Posted by fatcat3344

im not a scammer buddy im right here....

I hadn't read your post.

Those are the rules tho... Nobody can "out" another member until the mods have decided it is indeed a scam and that other members might be in danger of being scammed.

[Fireproof]

Originally Posted by fatcat3344

if i was trying to buy something from u and was honest and said i was going to have another guy send u money for parts i sold him, would u just be like ehhhhh im going to pass, i know i would because it does sound fishy. I know i wouldnt trust anyone that told me that. Thats why i just tried to play it off like i was sending him the money, i guess it just bit me in the ass. I am sorry to daniel and greg i didnt mean for all this bullshit to happen i was just trying to buy stuff and i know most people wont deal with anything unless its paypal...

Good for you for coming clean. You weren't named and didn't have to.

Just take it as a lesson learned to always be upfront about everything.

Cheers.

[SJJMcGhee]

Please, stop me if i'm being cynical, but is anyone else a little wary that the scammer and scamee both have, by MLP standards, very low amounts of posts? Something about this whole thread doesn't ring right. Not saying it's any particular party invloved, but i'm wary if the whole thing.

[Stratottack]

What a cock sucker Joe is.
good on you for doing your homework.

[bigwebb83]

Originally Posted by Howard2k

I'm the bad guy.

I go to a car forum and advertise some non-existant shit for sale. User Mustang1 says "Hey, I'm keen!". I say "ok, please stand by and I'll send you payment information.".

I then offer to buy a guitar from you, for the same amount of money, or thereabouts. I make the offer, you accept.

I then tell you "ok, I'm sending the money via Paypal".

I then tell Mustang1 to send his $100 to you, via Paypal. Only he thinks it's me, I just gave him your paypal ID.


You get payment, send guitar to his non-confirmed address.
Mustang1 sent his money but never gets his parts. He files a complaint, eventually. Paypal reverse the transaction. YOU now have no guitar and no money. Mustang1 got his money back. He got the guitar. You got ****ed.

There are some obvious ways to make this work better, the OP must have contacted the original payer at his paypal address, as opposed to the scammer? If that happens, you're in trouble.


Mustang1 ----> Cash ----> You.
You ----> Guitar ----> Scammer.
Mustang1 <---- Transcation reversed via paypal, money returned <---- You.

Mustang1 gets his money back
Scammer gets guitar.
You get shit.

[RustyNail]

Originally Posted by SJJMcGhee

Please, stop me if i'm being cynical, but is anyone else a little wary that the scammer and scamee both have, by MLP standards, very low amounts of posts? Something about this whole thread doesn't ring right. Not saying it's any particular party invloved, but i'm wary if the whole thing.

[Stratottack]

Originally Posted by RustyNail

So Jim is Joe? Who's the cock sucker? Is Mustang1 involved too? I'm getting confused and aroused at the same time. You guys have to stop this sh*t.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by fatcat3344

if i was trying to buy something from u and was honest and said i was going to have another guy send u money for parts i sold him, would u just be like ehhhhh im going to pass, i know i would because it does sound fishy. I know i wouldnt trust anyone that told me that. Thats why i just tried to play it off like i was sending him the money, i guess it just bit me in the ass. I am sorry to daniel and greg i didnt mean for all this bullshit to happen i was just trying to buy stuff and i know most people wont deal with anything unless its paypal...

I don't do personal business with anyone who keeps secrets from me.

[River side]

Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus

I don't do business with anyone who keeps secrets from me.

Scammers scam.

What does he think we expected, he was gonna own it?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by River side

Scammers scam.

What does he think we expected, he was gonna own it?

Understood, I'm just covering bases, and extending benefit of the doubt.

[TOMMYTHUNDERS]

this dude totally got busted trying to pull a scam! and now he's making excuses! this is great!

fwiw, it's a pretty clever scam, hats off to you lord king scammer.

[BillB1960]

Not that hard to open a Paypal account.