ANOTHER Batman Attack Thwarted?

[JMV]

Originally Posted by Torren61

...You hardly ever hear of any guitar related deaths in America.

Well, it isn't for lack of trying.

Keith Richards Guitar Hit - YouTube

Keith Richards Guitar Hit - YouTube

[Torren61]

God bless Keef!

[SteveGangi]

Originally Posted by JMV

Yes, but I didn't mean to imply that it's the only thing I find odd.

I don't like that an unlicensed permit holder decided to carry a weapon with him (that part disturbs me greatly), but I do find it odd that an off duty officer just happened to come upon him and search his bag.

That's not really standard operating procedure, is it? How many people bring bags with them everywhere they go? You wouldn't find it odd if you were out in public and a person in plain clothing walked up to you and said they needed to search through your backpack? I sure would.

Maybe they're just starting to search purses and everything at movie theaters now, I suppose.

It doesn't sound like the whole story is being told. If I were a psycho and some guy (off duty cop or not) wanted to search me and my stuff, he'd just be making himself the first one to get shot. I'm thinking this guy was most likely scared that HE might be shot by a loony. That and the thing about sitting in the back row, where it's harder to sneak up.

[sonar1]

Originally Posted by Torren61

She sounds much better now. The neck and bridge are more clearly defined and the out-of-phase position is sonically unmistakable. Infact, when I put it there and roll the neck tone back... OMG, think the tone in "You Shook Me". Exactly like that when I run it through GR5 with reverb and a bit of delay.

Well NOW you've stepped over the line.

Imagine, de-railing a gun thread at MLP with carrying-on about guitars!


Heretic.

[cwness]

If I was a criminal reading these posts I'd be laughing ass off. It'd be funnier then hell
thinking a law or a sign would stop me from committing a crime. In fact I'd look for the
sign banning guns so I would have a better chance. Case in point FennRx's place of
employment has been robbed twice. They don't allow him to carry at work and like the
rest of us LAW ABIDING citizens he doesn't carry at work. How quickly all forgot he just was robbed.

CW

[FennRx]

Originally Posted by cwness

If I was a criminal reading these posts I'd be laughing ass off. It be funnier then hell
thinking a law or a sign would stop me from committing a crime. In fact I'd look for the
sign banning guns so I would have a better chance. Case in point FennRx's place of
employment has been robbed twice. They don't allow him to carry at work and like the
rest of us LAW ABIDING citizens he doesn't carry. How quickly all forgot he just was robbed.

CW

robbed twice in 16 days.

[cwness]

Sonar if they decide to do a home invasion it's so fast if the gun is not in quick reach
your out of luck. Most of the home invassions around where I use to live ended badly.
They usually kill everyone in the house.

I started carrying when I was walking down the street in Minneapolis and a guy comes
running around the corner shortly followed by 3 others that start shooting at him
and I had to dive under a car. I was just lucky they kept running after the guy. I
was waiting for someone to look under the car and shoot me getting rid of a witness.


CW

[Spirithawk]

Originally Posted by cwness

Sonar if they decide to do a home invasion it's so fast if the gun is not in quick reach
your out of luck. Most of the home invassions around where I use to live ended badly.
They usually kill everyone in the house.



CW

That's why I have a Boxer that thinks strangers are chew toys. He's the buffer to give me time to reach my firearm which is always within reach and usualy on my side during the day and beside my bed at night. We also have two Shitzus, the wife's, that bark at any strange noise. Any of the three bark my hand reaches till I find out why. I live in the country and have a video camera on my driveway, the only way in as my home is built on the side of a mountain, that both lets me klnow I have company plus records it on video. I've had trouble show up at my door and was dang glad I was prepared when it did!

This stays handy when at home too.

[Ginger Beer]

I'm old fashioned I guess. I bought an alarm system that helps keep me safe. The funny thing is, it also works when I'm not at home.

[Blackegg]

I am licensed to carry a guitar concealed and have done so on may occasions.

[FennRx]

i had an alarm long before I owned a gun. But then I thought, well if it doesn't cause the invader to flee, it's nice that the police will know where to bring the body bags.

[JMV]

Originally Posted by Ginger Beer

I'm old fashioned I guess. I bought an alarm system that helps keep me safe. The funny thing is, it also works when I'm not at home.

Cool. So the police will arrive shortly when you get mugged out in public? That's a hell of an alarm system!

[KSG_Standard]

This is what my alarm system sounds like.

.45 ACP sound effect - YouTube

.45 ACP sound effect - YouTube

[FennRx]

ooooo i just got a shipment of pony food today!

[Spirithawk]

As far as at home is concerned alarms just make you feel safe, they don't keep you safe. Many home invasions start with the criminals cutting phone lines and even power to your home before they even enter. So much for your alarm. They also know, that even if an alarm works, they have time to do what they want and be gone before police will arive. Particularly if you live, as I do, out in the country.

As to when not at home, I agree with jmv, that must be a pretty niffty alarm systom you have there Ginger if it protects you away from home too. Particularly if it gets the cops there before the bad guy can squeeze a trigger or thrust a knife. Didn't know they made such a thing nor that the cops were that fast! Musta got new training and super fast cars since I was a deputy.

[pontiacfirebird]

with all the gun stuff on here atm i thought id check the data

from the CDC website for 2007 [latest census i guess] per 100,000 pop


Homicide Firearm Deaths 12,632

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

Suicide Firearm Deaths 17,352

Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths 351

only 351 so guns in society are 87 x more likely to kill you than save you not a great endorsement

i guess arguments can be made that majority of these deaths were of unarmed people, who knows but the fact still remains from the point of view of society vastly more innocents are killed by firearms than ever are saved by them

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pontiacfirebird

with all the gun stuff on here atm i thought id check the data

from the CDC website for 2007 [latest census i guess] per 100,000 pop


Homicide Firearm Deaths 12,632

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

Suicide Firearm Deaths 17,352

Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths 351

only 351 so guns in society are 87 x more likely to kill you than save you not a great endorsement

i guess arguments can be made that majority of these deaths were of unarmed people, who knows but the fact still remains from the point of view of society vastly more innocents are killed by firearms than ever are saved by them

One statistic that is missing from that data is Legal Non-lethal Firearm Intervention, if that statistic is available.

[FennRx]

Originally Posted by pontiacfirebird

with all the gun stuff on here atm i thought id check the data

from the CDC website for 2007 [latest census i guess] per 100,000 pop


Homicide Firearm Deaths 12,632

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

Suicide Firearm Deaths 17,352

Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths 351

only 351 so guns in society are 87 x more likely to kill you than save you not a great endorsement

i guess arguments can be made that majority of these deaths were of unarmed people, who knows but the fact still remains from the point of view of society vastly more innocents are killed by firearms than ever are saved by them

i wonder if there were no guns if all 17,352 people would have suddenly found a reason to live.

[Spirithawk]

Originally Posted by pontiacfirebird

with all the gun stuff on here atm i thought id check the data

from the CDC website for 2007 [latest census i guess] per 100,000 pop


Homicide Firearm Deaths 12,632

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

Suicide Firearm Deaths 17,352

Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths 351

only 351 so guns in society are 87 x more likely to kill you than save you not a great endorsement

i guess arguments can be made that majority of these deaths were of unarmed people, who knows but the fact still remains from the point of view of society vastly more innocents are killed by firearms than ever are saved by them

In 2007 not many had conceal carry permits at all. It's just been the last few years that many states have issued them. But lets just talk about 2007. Wanna bet the 351 lives they saved were damn glad they had them? Or don't you think that many lives was worth saving? By the way, if you're anti gun you might wish to change your avatar. Mr. Jerry Reed was very much pro gun and loved to hunt. Another thing your stats don't show is how often a firearm saved a life without ever having to be fired.

[cwness]

Originally Posted by Spirithawk

That's why I have a Boxer that thinks strangers are chew toys. He's the buffer to give me time to reach my firearm which is always within reach and usualy on my side during the day and beside my bed at night. We also have two Shitzus, the wife's, that bark at any strange noise. Any of the three bark my hand reaches till I find out why. I live in the country and have a video camera on my driveway, the only way in as my home is built on the side of a mountain, that both lets me klnow I have company plus records it on video. I've had trouble show up at my door and was dang glad I was prepared when it did!

This stays handy when at home too.

Spot on as always Spirit. My dogs give me the extra time to get ready
also. I put camera's in at the new place and put the motion sensor I
used to get the skunks last year there also so. I know when someone
drives in almost before the dogs. I've called the Sheriff quite a few times
on people parked in my drive way and it took an hour to get there. I knew
it would take the long just wanted something on record if needed.

Originally Posted by FennRx

i had an alarm long before I owned a gun. But then I thought, well if it doesn't cause the invader to flee, it's nice that the police will know where to bring the body bags.

That was a good one Fenn thanks for the laugh.

Originally Posted by FennRx

ooooo i just got a shipment of pony food today!

I've just got another shipment of RBCD ammo in. You should give it
a try. In the 45 it packs of 1000ft/ lbs of force at 2085fps.

I did some more testing and the pentration is not like a hydro-shock or
cor-bon dpx. RBCD is about 6" in gel where the dpx and hydro are 12"
or better. The big difference I got was the wound cavity. It's huge
it just doesn't penetrate as well due to the light weight. That being
said you have too remember that if you shoot at bad guy BG he might
have his hands up and the RBCD are really frangible and that's what they
are designed for. The rabid coon I shot a couple weeks ago was almost
blown in half. The dpx would have left a much smaller hole.

Bottom line if your looking for ammo that won't harm people down range
this is pretty good. Again the most important thing is shot placement
and that only come with practice.

CW

Edit: I should add that one shot one kill will happen more often with the deeper
penetration of the Hydro or DPX. The RBCD is for down range worries. IE someone
in another room.

[sonar1]

Originally Posted by cwness

Sonar if they decide to do a home invasion it's so fast if the gun is not in quick reach
your out of luck. Most of the home invassions around where I use to live ended badly.
They usually kill everyone in the house...

Again: this is a very benign neighborhood.

I can't recall when the last home invasion even was in this whole town.

The last two shootings here on the west side of Santa Cruz was a owner/renter dispute several years ago, and a guy out walking his dog at night by a gang-banger trying to make his bones (he lived), the year before last.

I thought about it a bit since I too was walking my dog about then, but ultimately decided against packing heat around here (or anywhere I frequent) because statistically the odds are so rare for anything around here, and I fear getting busted were I to start routinely living as if I were still back in Vietnam locked and loaded every day.

I don't want to live like that.

If it ramps up around here - I say again - I may amend my rountines.

Currently my biggest worry is having the knowledge published abroad that there are even weapons in the house, so I take care to keep that knowledge not known. After all, I wouldn't want someone deciding to get the drop on me, force me to open my gunsafe to plunder my few pieces, then cap my ass.

I figure I'm prepared enough for this locale and how I want to live.

If it weren't for my loved ones living with me I'd consider offing all my firearms if I didn't enjoy IDPA shooting occasionally. Once a sheepdog: always a sheepdog.


But as I age, it could happen that I would step down from being the sheepdog. My youngest is able.

[cwness]

Originally Posted by sonar1

Again: this is a very benign neighborhood.

I can't recall when the last home invasion even was in this whole town.

The last two shootings here on the west side of Santa Cruz was a owner/renter dispute several years ago, and a guy out walking his dog at night by a gang-banger trying to make his bones (he lived), the year before last.

I thought about it a bit since I too was walking my dog about then, but ultimately decided against packing heat around here (or anywhere I frequent) because statistically the odds are so rare for anything around here, and I fear getting busted were I to start routinely living as if I were still back in Vietnam locked and loaded every day.

I don't want to live like that.

If it ramps up around here - I say again - I may amend my rountines.

Currently my biggest worry is having the knowledge published abroad that there are even weapons in the house, so I take care to keep that knowledge not known. After all, I wouldn't want someone deciding to get the drop on me, force me to open my gunsafe to plunder my few pieces, then cap my ass.

I figure I'm prepared enough for this locale and how I want to live.

If it weren't for my loved ones living with me I'd consider offing all my firearms if I didn't enjoy IDPA shooting occasionally. Once a sheepdog: always a sheepdog.


But as I age, it could happen that I would step down from being the sheepdog. My youngest is able.

Ya Sonar I was basically agreeing with you. The way they break in is so
fast unless you have the gun ready at hand it's almost to late. That's why
I have the dogs. You do also so you would at least have some warning.
The last invasion before I moved they killed the family with a hammer.
I don't post any pic and as little of what I have for the same reason.
Have a great day.

CW

[sonar1]

Originally Posted by cwness

Ya Sonar I was basically agreeing with you. The way they break in is so
fast unless you have the gun ready at hand it's almost to late. That's why
I have the dogs. You do also...

CW

Yes dogs, reinforced doors, alarm I could set up differently I suppose than how I use it now.

Also, I'm a Front Sight Diamond member.

You Tube

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I understand the common scenarios (and that there's no way to prepare for the uncommon scenarios: sometimes you need to improvise).

Training is key, and I avail myself of it (with my son), and stay on it.

It's a big responsibility to own a gun around here and well I know it: it's not enough to own a gun. And even though my uses for pistols (and carbines, shotguns, etc) are not PRIMARILY for self-defense, I do what I can to stay trained outside my comfort zone. Money well spent, even if I never need it (certainly MY preference).

[45WinMag]

Originally Posted by KSG_Standard

This is what my alarm system sounds like.
.45 ACP sound effect - YouTube

I may need a new alarm system, mine isn't very loud.

[brandonman]

Originally Posted by Spirithawk

North St. Louis, Missouri....and yes, I moved.

It all makes sense now. Congrats on getting out of the North Side man. I've never been up there myself, but just driving through East St. Louis around noon when most people are not even awake scares enough crap out of me.

You should have seen my sister's boyfriend when we took him down there on our way to the Zoo when they came to visit. He's lived in Minnesota his whole life and had never seen anything like it. His reactions were priceless

[Spirithawk]

Originally Posted by brandonman

It all makes sense now. Congrats on getting out of the North Side man. I've never been up there myself, but just driving through East St. Louis around noon when most people are not even awake scares enough crap out of me.

You should have seen my sister's boyfriend when we took him down there on our way to the Zoo when they came to visit. He's lived in Minnesota his whole life and had never seen anything like it. His reactions were priceless

Yep, I can imagine. The East Side is where folks go when they need a break from the North Side! I walked streets that the only way you were remotely safe was to have a reputation you were better off left alone! The only reason I lived there was because of my job. I saw stuff that would turn your stomach and swear you off man kind for life! It got to where I never walked out my door without two .44's and to those who wonder YES they saved my bacon more than once!

After walking in on burglars, one of which was cornered by me in my infant son's bedroom, I made it a point never to enter my home empty handed again after being out. What saved me that one time was a loaded rifle I had leaning in my inside closet door and no anti gunners there was no time nor chance to dial 911!

In one months time our mail man was shot and killed over a Cocain debt, the local traffic cop ( them days on a trike motorcycle ) was run down and shot to death because he wrote a guy a parking ticket, the headless body of an 8 year old girl was found in a vacant building, a guy tried raping my oldest daughter, our neighbor across the street was shot multiple times and killed in front of his home in broad daylight because he wouldn't give up his Social Security check, and I walked in on burglars for a second time.

You bet your butt I moved and you can bet your butt it convinced me to carry!

I live out in the country now but yes I still carry. Only now I'm legal with a CCW permit. Why do I still carry? Cause crap happens and I don't care where you live. Maybe not as much but if it only happens once, and it happens to you, is that not one time too many? Dead doesn't give second chances!

Carrying has already saved me and my wife twice while living here in what one would think, but one would be wrong, is a crime free zone. I also have very real reasons upon advisment of athourities both military and Federal that I carry. Being retired due to disability, but still will many LE connections, I can also tell you that most areas thought by residents as being crime free are definitely not! It would scare a lot of you if you knew half the crimes that are swept under the rug and not reported on the news in order that a neighborhood keeps it's safe apearance! Yeah, that includes your neighborhood!

Not telling anyone they have to carry, though I do think in many cases it might be a wise thing to do, so please don't tell me I can't nor shouldn't because you would not only be wasting your breath, you'd be wrong on both points.

[sonar1]

Noted.

And thanks.



I know it's coming.

The problem is the "legal" carry part, around here.

If they pass what they're cooking up here in California (no detachable magazines), I'm moving!

[cwness]

Originally Posted by sonar1

Yes dogs, reinforced doors, alarm I could set up differently I suppose than how I use it now.

Also, I'm a Front Sight Diamond member.

A Taste of Front Sight - YouTube

I understand the common scenarios (and that there's no way to prepare for the uncommon scenarios: sometimes you need to improvise).

Training is key, and I avail myself of it (with my son), and stay on it.

It's a big responsibility to own a gun around here and well I know it: it's not enough to own a gun. And even though my uses for pistols (and carbines, shotguns, etc) are not PRIMARILY for self-defense, I do what I can to stay trained outside my comfort zone. Money well spent, even if I never need it (certainly MY preference).

The training is key and seems you and your son are on top of things. Like
you my guns are more for hunting and target.

The day in Minneapolis did change things for me. Until then I never thought
of a gun for protection. Funny thing when bullets go buzzing by your head
and you think it's the end how your thoughts of protection change. If someone had told me that in the middle of the day walking down the street
I'd be diving under a car I would have laughed said what planet do you live
on. One minute nothing out of the ordinary going on the next a guys running
at me and 3 guys are shooting at him. Bullets where zipping by my head and
when I dived under the car and I heard them coming I was hoping they'd
just keep going. That changed me. I too went thru training. I never had
shot a pistol before then. Now I shoot 3 gun and love it. In fact I just got
my CNC plasma cutter set up and we are going to make a 3 gun and IDPA
steel targets with it.

CW

[Torren61]

Originally Posted by 45WinMag

I may need a new alarm system, mine isn't very loud.

At least now you're legal to shoot mimes.

[pontiacfirebird]

Originally Posted by FennRx

i wonder if there were no guns if all 17,352 people would have suddenly found a reason to live.

that still leaves 13,000 as apposed to 351 but nice try