we need more resources!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by KR88

You have quoted the wrong person, it was Malikon not me.

I fixed the attribution. Sorry for screwing it up like that.

[geochem1st]

Originally Posted by Malikon

Technically, there's more then enough resources.

Food, shelter, money, etc.

......

Not everywhere, especially not here. The churches can't keep up. The local government doesn't either.

And the homeless nowadays are not the stereotyped druggy, psycho who talks to himself and is beyond help. They are families. Lots of them. Many living in tent cities outside of town or down by railroad tracks. We have them here to.

There are boot prints on the necks of these kids who are living with their parents in a tent.

It doesn't make the papers like it did in 2008, but the tent cities are growing. Here is an article from this year:


Thanks Barack… Record Unemployment Rate Is Forcing Growth of Tent Cities | The Gateway Pundit

BBC News - Panorama - America's homeless resort to tent cities

[Torren61]

We don't need more resources, we need less/better people. We don't need people having five kids. We don't need baby factories cranking out kid after kid thinking it's their God-given right. Why is it legal to have children without a license or some kind of certification to prove that you know how to raise and take care of them and that you can afford to even HAVE a child? Oh, then the "gubment" is gonna be in your life?

We don't need MORE we need BETTER. We don't need to replace something in two years because it wore out, we need that thing to last TEN years. "Oh, that's stupid. Do you know how many people would be out of a job if they made things last longer?" Who cares? We need a paradigm shift in our way of thinking about what we NEED and what we WANT. And I'm just as bad as anyone out there when it comes to that.

[Malikon]

Originally Posted by geochem1st

Not everywhere, especially not here. The churches can't keep up. The local government doesn't either.

And the homeless nowadays are not the stereotyped druggy, psycho who talks to himself and is beyond help. They are families. Lots of them. Many living in tent cities outside of town or down by railroad tracks. We have them here to.

There are boot prints on the necks of these kids who are living with their parents in a tent.

It doesn't make the papers like it did in 2008, but the tent cities are growing. Here is an article from this year:


Thanks Barack… Record Unemployment Rate Is Forcing Growth of Tent Cities | The Gateway Pundit

BBC News - Panorama - America's homeless resort to tent cities

I meant in the big worldwide scale of things Geo. There's more then enough food and money in the world.

No one should ever, ever starve to death, We've got food.

But it still happens.

[335Reasons]

Originally Posted by Malikon

I meant in the big worldwide scale of things Geo. There's more then enough food and money in the world.

No one should ever, ever starve to death, We've got food.

But it still happens.

You just have to choose where to spend it

BBC News - Millions wasted in Afghan reconstruction projects, finds report

[PraXis]

Welfare reform in the 90s did a lot of good. It was tough love, but it worked. Now, THEY are tasked with further creating more dependents on gubmint cheese:

Romney hits Obama move gutting welfare reform | WashingtonExaminer.com

It's all by design.

46.5 Million Americans, Record 22.3 Million US Households, On Foodstamps; 8,753,935 On Disability | ZeroHedge

[SJJMcGhee]

Originally Posted by Malikon

uhm,...that's exactly the system we have now.

Malikon, you think it's bad over in the USA, come over here, i will bet £50 that it's worse here, seriously.

Like a family on benefits with 8 kids, none of them work, but the dad has a Mercedes. That bad.

[Fardwark]

Originally Posted by SJJMcGhee

Malikon, you think it's bad over in the USA, come over here, i will bet £50 that it's worse here, seriously.

Like a family on benefits with 8 kids, none of them work, but the dad has a Mercedes. That bad.

Eh?

[SJJMcGhee]

Originally Posted by Fardwark

Eh?

I couldn't find the link to the story, maybe someone knows it, but there was a story about a year ago of a benefits family of 8, and the dad had enough money left over from his Payments to buy a Merc. That shouldn't be allowed, if he wants a Merc, he should work for one. I'm 15, and i need a bigger amp for gigs, so i'm trying to get a job (hard with no NI number yet) and get payed so i can get one. This is how it should work, but apparently no-one has told these people.

[Engel]

Originally Posted by Joeydego

I have little faith humanity will ever grow

I'm sorry you feel that way. While your sulking in pity plenty of people around the world are moving forward and contributing.

[mgenet]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

WE?

You won't find MY boot print there.

But there's something that needs to be put on the table - see Slapshot's post.
Too many of these people are immune to help - or downright allergic to it.

That's the nicest way I can say it.

May be mental health too - a significant factor much of the time.
It bothers me, but I can still sleep at night after giving my resources elsewhere.

I think you understand a part of the homeless population, Neo.
Mental illness makes up for approximately 16% of the homeless population
according to the National Coalition for the Homeless on their fact sheet page.
Here is there blurb on the mental health section:

Mental Illness: Approximately 16% of the single adult homeless population suffers from some form of severe and persistent mental illness (U.S. Conference of Mayors, 2005). Despite the disproportionate number of severely mentally ill people among the homeless population, increases in homelessness are not attributable to the release of severely mentally ill people from institutions. Most patients were released from mental hospitals in the 1950s and 1960s, yet vast increases in homelessness did not occur until the 1980s, when incomes and housing options for those living on the margins began to diminish rapidly. According to the 2003 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Report, most homeless persons with mental illness do not need to be institutionalized, but can live in the community with the appropriate supportive housing options (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2003). However, many mentally ill homeless people are unable to obtain access to supportive housing and/or other treatment services. The mental health support services most needed include case management, housing, and treatment.

This information does not include homeless abusing substances.

[Fardwark]

Originally Posted by SJJMcGhee

I couldn't find the link to the story, maybe someone knows it, but there was a story about a year ago of a benefits family of 8, and the dad had enough money left over from his Payments to buy a Merc. That shouldn't be allowed, if he wants a Merc, he should work for one. I'm 15, and i need a bigger amp for gigs, so i'm trying to get a job (hard with no NI number yet) and get payed so i can get one. This is how it should work, but apparently no-one has told these people.

I thought it would be a media induced shit storm. Find a few bad eggs then report in a sensationalist manner giving the impression everyone who is unemployed is up to no good. Most people don't do that.

The tactics these arsehole's use to stir up the crap & castigate sections of our society makes my blood boil.
Stop reading the rags, they only lie to you.

[mgenet]

Stats are easy to move around and make them look they
way the user wants them to be. We've had a good discussion
on that issue on another thread.

Still seeing how the perecentages breakdown is amazing. Even if the percent was higher, say 50% for mental illness (i.e.,how is mental illness defined?) it still does
not account for the foreclosures, medical problems, substance addiction,
unemployment and the combo of all of those.

What would be of some interest is how other countries, that follow this,
line up in regards to our numbers.

[Joeydego]

Just to even out the discussion, there are millions of mentally ill people who DONT live on the streets in america. No reason, even if the population is 100%, they should be left to the streets

[FennRx]

you guys could start by selling all of your Gibsons and Marshalls and donating to the charity of your choice.

Nah, I didn't think so. Hand wringing on a guitar forum is much easier.

[mgenet]

Yes, agree with Neo, I do believe that most of the mentally ill on the street refuse services instead of getting a roof over their head.
You can't lead a horse to water...

I've seen some pretty sick people who have state agency case managers and are doing
okay in subsidized housing through the mental health centers. They are
the people who are compliant with treatment. We are talking schizophrenics
who are unable to work let alone function in society.

[colchar]

Originally Posted by Fardwark

Eh?

Just look at some of the areas in London where the councils house these people.

[Fardwark]

Originally Posted by colchar

Just look at some of the areas in London where the councils house these people.

The House of Lords?

[Torren61]

Originally Posted by Joeydego

Just to even out the discussion, there are millions of mentally ill people who DONT live on the streets in america. No reason, even if the population is 100%, they should be left to the streets

A LOT of them post frequently in this part of the forum (ME FOR ONE. HA! BEAT YOU TO IT!).

[River]

Originally Posted by SJJMcGhee

I couldn't find the link to the story, maybe someone knows it, but there was a story about a year ago of a benefits family of 8, and the dad had enough money left over from his Payments to buy a Merc.

You're too easily riled up. Joey's talking from personal experience. You think you remember some propaganda you saw in the boy's room at school.

[bertzie]

Originally Posted by SJJMcGhee

I couldn't find the link to the story, maybe someone knows it, but there was a story about a year ago of a benefits family of 8, and the dad had enough money left over from his Payments to buy a Merc. That shouldn't be allowed, if he wants a Merc, he should work for one. I'm 15, and i need a bigger amp for gigs, so i'm trying to get a job (hard with no NI number yet) and get payed so i can get one. This is how it should work, but apparently no-one has told these people.

For under $3,000 I could have a mercedes too.

1999 Mercedes Benz E320t--END OF MONTH SALE!! OPEN TIL 10PM

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by FennRx

you guys could start by selling all of your Gibsons and Marshalls and donating to the charity of your choice.

Nah, I didn't think so. Hand wringing on a guitar forum is much easier.

You seem to be assuming that online hand-wringing is the only action being taken. Certainly there's middle ground between "sell your possessions and give away the proceeds" and "do nothing but kvetch", don't you think?

What makes you think that members here don't already donate time or money?

As easy as hand-wringing on a forum is making the assumption that that is the only thing being done.

[SJJMcGhee]

I have noticed that the councils tend to dump people in a melting pot and leave them, anyone remeber "The Scheme"?

Penilee is hellhole very close to me, as are Tarfside flats.

"Down on your Knees? Well, we'll put you with all the other no-hopers in a cramped, dangerous Flat block in some place like Maryhill, And if you make your way out then you deserve to be re-accepted"

The system is flawed, but if we give people too many nets then we risk having generations of Layabouts. It's pretty much a Catch 22, where there is good will, there will always be people wanting to take advantage. JoeyDego, man, you seem damn passionate, i wish there was some way we could work it all out, but there is always someone unwilling to pull his weight. And then we all end up back at Square one because of him.

[SJJMcGhee]

Originally Posted by Fardwark

I thought it would be a media induced shit storm. Find a few bad eggs then report in a sensationalist manner giving the impression everyone who is unemployed is up to no good. Most people don't do that.

The tactics these arsehole's use to stir up the crap & castigate sections of our society makes my blood boil.
Stop reading the rags, they only lie to you.

True, damn True.

[Gooner]

Originally Posted by Fardwark

I thought it would be a media induced shit storm. Find a few bad eggs then report in a sensationalist manner giving the impression everyone who is unemployed is up to no good. Most people don't do that.

The tactics these arsehole's use to stir up the crap & castigate sections of our society makes my blood boil.
Stop reading the rags, they only lie to you.

It's a government campaign to point the finger at the poor to hide the tax evasion and manipulation of the rich. There is welfare fraud, I see it on a regular basis, but I bet you the tax evasion of the rich far outweighs it.

[Gooner]

Originally Posted by mgenet

Yes, agree with Neo, I do believe that most of the mentally ill on the street refuse services instead of getting a roof over their head.
You can't lead a horse to water...

.

Do you think that it may have something to do with the fact they are mentally ill . A lot of these people don't realise that they are ill, it's part of their condition.

[bertzie]

Has anyone here actually spent time in a homeless shelter? I've heard that some of them can get a bit pushy with their religion.

[Joeydego]

Originally Posted by Gooner

It's a government campaign to point the finger at the poor to hide the tax evasion and manipulation of the rich. There is welfare fraud, I see it on a regular basis, but I bet you the tax evasion of the rich far outweighs it.

Trillions in off shore accounts with one intent: to hide it from the IRS.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by bertzie

Has anyone here actually spent time in a homeless shelter? I've heard that some of them can get a bit pushy with their religion.

I've heard this as well, for some shelters and organizations. I can't speak to the homeless shelters, but when I was looking for a charity to assist, there were a couple I passed on because of their proselytizing.

[PraXis]

Originally Posted by Joeydego

Trillions in off shore accounts with one intent: to hide it from the IRS.

Most of that money (personal income/capital gains => savings) has already been taxed. It's just growing overseas.