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Humans have been fighting the war on "murder", "theft" and "Rape" for centuries. Should we give up on fighting that illegal behaviour too because people are still "doing it"?

My guess is that your answer is "No".

If so, then why would anyone apply a different logic to illegal drug use?
people have been murdering, raping and thieving the same way for centuries. New drugs are coming out every year it seems like. Murder rates are dropping, drug abuse isn't
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people have been murdering, raping and theiving the same way for centuries. New drugs are coming out every year it seems like. Murder rates are dropping, drug abuse isn't
Drug prohibition doesn't work?

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i live in florida , i work my ass off to pay people's bills that dont wanna work on da books and i have seen dealers in lake worth sellin dope n collectin all kinda govt perks I PAID FOR ! so they should DRUG TEST EVERONE WHO GETS FREE CASH N PERKS I DONT GET YET I PAY FER THEM ! fact is most will fail cause they DO GET HIGH N DRUNK , they do deal DRUGS , they do BULLSHIT THE WORLD , see as i am noT white or black or hispanic , i am itallion and say whats up and see whats up ! the truth is the truth , man the bullshit these days is like amazing , at 47 from nyc i see all the lies and bull there all pulling ! this is my opinions and ive seen 1st hand the way people off all colors hustle the system for MY CASH ! i say drug test everyone that wants to collect , o and prove your a usa citazen and we should quadruble check there ass's and deport anyone that lies asap ! imho ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ! i work every day , 2 kids and a wife ! YET I PAY OTHER PEOPLE'S BILLS , LEGALIZE WEED , TAX THE SHIT OUTA IT , take the cartels and dealers out = success ! everybody is happy RIGHT ! booze the #1 drug worldwide is legal and kills more in a year then weed in 20 years i bet ? excuding drug wars and gangs and police of course , i meant from toking bud , not dealing it ! LEGALIZING WEED IS NOT A IF ITS A WHEN IMHO NOW ! see ya , alz
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Humans have been fighting the war on "murder", "theft" and "Rape" for centuries. Should we give up on fighting that illegal behaviour too because people are still "doing it"?

My guess is that your answer is "No".

If so, then why would anyone apply a different logic to illegal drug use?
Because, unlike those other issues, smoking a joint doesn't harm innocent people. I agree that the hyperaddictive substances which result in shit like the Miami Zombie or a meth-lab explosion should be banned. But a nuanced view would laugh at the idea of comparing a bong hit to a Mob hit.

Also, because there is a substance involved which can be bought, sold, and consumed, prohibiting its ingestion commodifies crime, by butressing a black market, which finances gangs and their other, more subversive operations. That doesn't happen with murder or rape.

All-in-all, you're comparing apples and rocks.
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Re: New BAD Drugs - Bath Salts and Crocodile/Krokodile

the spice craze was interesting.

google jwh-018


you could buy it in gas stations and tobbaco shops around here (and all over america) for quite sometime before the DEA put a stop to it.

there are many "legal" drugs out there, more than most would imagine.

as far as taking "real, and fake" drugs

all drugs are drugs.... its up to the individual if its worth it or not. is it wise? no.
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Humans have been fighting the war on "murder", "theft" and "Rape" for centuries. Should we give up on fighting that illegal behaviour too because people are still "doing it"?

My guess is that your answer is "No".

If so, then why would anyone apply a different logic to illegal drug use?
Sure!

Prohibition fails. Didn't work with alcohol, and it ain't workin' with marijuana, either.

Also, analogy fail; murder, theft, and rape all involve acts that violate other peoples' bodies and/or property. Ingesting whisky and marijuana is something that one does to one's own self.

That help?

EDIT: I see that my arguments have already been made by Henry and Thumper.
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the spice craze was interesting.

google jwh-018


you could buy it in gas stations and tobbaco shops around here (and all over america) for quite sometime before the DEA put a stop to it.

there are many "legal" drugs out there, more than most would imagine.

as far as taking "real, and fake" drugs

all drugs are drugs.... its up to the individual if its worth it or not. is it wise? no.
I don't know anyone who doesn't think that spice is horrible.
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I don't know anyone who doesn't think that spice is horrible.
the jwh compounds slam the cannabinoid receptors a lot harder than thc, very small doses can do quite a bit.

the body also builds a tolerance to the jwh compounds rather quickly, soon the user will not get the high they once did as a result of the tolerance.

some would argue that it is actually physically addictive.
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Re: New BAD Drugs - Bath Salts and Crocodile/Krokodile

Speaking of drugs I just found this:






Former Coheed and Cambria bassist Michael Todd is ready to answer for his crimes, as he entered a guilty plea Monday (June 11) for robbing a Walgreens store for painkillers last July.

The Sun Chronicle reports that Todd was sentenced to serve one year of home confinement with a GPS monitoring system. Judge Renee Dupuis also gave the musician three years’ probation, which was recommended by both sides. In addition, Todd must continue his drug treatment program and submit to regular drug testing for his current sentence to stick.

In one of 2011′s most bizarre stories in the rock world, the musician entered the Attleboro, Mass. store, claimed he had a bomb and was ready to blow the place up unless he was given the pills, then took a cab from the store to the Mansfield Comcast Center where Coheed and Cambria were scheduled to open for Soundgarden.

Police were easily able to track him down and later arrested the musician at the venue. As a result of his actions, Coheed and Cambria severed ties with Todd and recently named Zach Cooper as their new bassist.


On a sad note, Todd’s legal issues are just the least of his problems, as he recently revealed that he had been diagnosed with cancer.




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EDIT: I see that my arguments have already been made by Henry and Thumper.
to be fair, Henry was reiterating the notion that Inside Guy was originally responding to

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The war on drugs creates the market for this other shit.
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Re: New BAD Drugs - Bath Salts and Crocodile/Krokodile

Bath salts illegal?

Bath salts controlled?

I submit this for your examination:

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ATTENTION: Should not be used orally. Care should be taken in using it with caution and keeping out of reach of children.

C Original should be kept in a dry, cool place."
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See post #45 and #47.

legal? No.
Controlled...not a chance in hell (at least so far)
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the jwh compounds slam the cannabinoid receptors a lot harder than thc, very small doses can do quite a bit.

the body also builds a tolerance to the jwh compounds rather quickly, soon the user will not get the high they once did as a result of the tolerance.

some would argue that it is actually physically addictive.
With natural cannabinoids, the receptors are only like half open at most. That is why the natural, real high is so pleasant. The fake one feels dull, metallic, if you could describe a state of mind as such.
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Re: New BAD Drugs - Bath Salts and Crocodile/Krokodile

I first heard of these "bath salts" from an old friend of mine who I kinda quit hanging out with after he got involved in the rave scene. He went from being a totally normal computer geek to a raver that was doing eight to ten pills of ecstasy a night at raves. Rotted his brain and I just kinda quit talking to him. Anyways, I hadn't seen him in a while and he gave me a call, said he was in the area and asked if he could stop by. He shows up with his girlfriend, we're out back smoking cigs and having a beer and he's telling me about all his raving, the ecstasy, the blow, the ketamine, blah blah blah, as if I'm really interested in it. So he starts talking about the bath salts and his girlfriend admits she was railing some lines of it and had a stroke. This girl was 19 years old and had a full on stroke from this shit. It's amazing that people continue to do it.
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With natural cannabinoids, the receptors are only like half open at most. That is why the natural, real high is so pleasant. The fake one feels dull, metallic, if you could describe a state of mind as such.
Not true for all lol
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Don't be a dope.
All drugs aren't bad. Many drugs save peoples lives.
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the way they make "jdub" smoking blends shocked a lot of folks who had tried it.


the jwh-018 , or similar jwh compound, is bought from china in powder form, it is then measured and disolved in acetone (in a spray bottle)

the medium (usually some kind of legal herb, lotus, ect) is spread out on a flat surface, the jwh/acetone mix is then sprayed on the mixture and allowed to dry.

the acetone evaporates, leaving the jwh chemicals in place.
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With natural cannabinoids, the receptors are only like half open at most. That is why the natural, real high is so pleasant. The fake one feels dull, metallic, if you could describe a state of mind as such.
As long as I can still bend space-time on the spice it's fine.
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As long as I can still bend space-time on the spice it's fine.
Make yourself useful and get a peek at the lotto numbers coming up please.
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Yeah....that's why you have to routinely get your liver checked while on cholesterol medication. No harm there.

You've never listened to the laundry list of side effects that come with even those drugs that are designed to help you?
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Yeah....that's why you have to routinely get your liver checked while on cholesterol medication. No harm there.

You've never listened to the laundry list of side effects that come with even those drugs that are designed to help you?
It's still a stupid statement.

Heroin is prescribed in some areas as pain relief for severe pain and/or terminal patients. Are you saying that those people should not get pain relief?

Saying that all drugs are bad is as foolish as saying that no drugs are bad.
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That Krokodil stuff is brutal.
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It's still a stupid statement.

Heroin is prescribed in some areas as pain relief for severe pain and/or terminal patients. Are you saying that those people should not get pain relief?

Saying that all drugs are bad is as foolish as saying that no drugs are bad.
It's a true statement. Heroin is still a bad drug...very addictive, among other side affects. Though I understand that it's used to treat the IMMEDIATE problem (pain), but not without consequences.

I'm not judging those that are prescribed for, and to treat some sort of mallady...but there's always a cost in terms of health.
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It's a true statement. Heroin is still a bad drug...very addictive, among other side affects. Though I understand that it's used to treat the IMMEDIATE problem (pain), but not without consequences.

I'm not judging those that are prescribed for, and to treat some sort of mallady...but there's always a cost in terms of health.
You can die from overdosing on water.

Anything you consume has some effect. Like you (I think it was you) said, we're a mish mash of chemicals already.


Could we say that food and drink are bad too? Or do we agree that it depends on the circumstances?
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Maybe we should just leave the idiots who are dumb enough to do this..

Natural selection put to work.
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It's a true statement. Heroin is still a bad drug...very addictive, among other side affects. Though I understand that it's used to treat the IMMEDIATE problem (pain), but not without consequences.

I'm not judging those that are prescribed for, and to treat some sort of mallady...but there's always a cost in terms of health.
Are you aware Cocaine is still prescribed in some instances? It's also a CSA Schedule II substance, meaning it has a valid medical use.
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