Wachovia is no more......

[Led Zep Fan]

Google ACORN and B. O., the guy that's running for pres....

[geochem1st]

Originally Posted by pwoznic

The Community Reinvestment Act is to thank for this... and ACORN.

and what is wrong with ACORN?


"We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan."

[Led Zep Fan]

Michelle Malkin » ACORN Watch: Voter fraud and mortgage scams on your dime

YouTube - Drug Raid Uncovers ACORN Vote Fraud

ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud - Politics News Story - KMBC Kansas City

More ACORN Vote Fraud Attempts : Stop The ACLU

I could go on...

[Pwozzie]

Originally Posted by geochem1st

and what is wrong with ACORN?


"We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan."

They have been involved with voter fraud for years in many states.

[geochem1st]

When I google ACORN and BO all I see are message boards and blogs, show me something concrete thats definitive.


EDIT:

didn't see the voter fraud stuff, let me look again

[Led Zep Fan]

Barack Obama's closet - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Theodore Ziolkowski's Blog: ACORN focuses on vote

Beware Obama, "The Senator From ACORN" - Commentary: The Post Chronicle

Denied:1up! Software ()

Need more, let me know. Investigate his former role there, some info is on B. O.'s own website.

[geochem1st]

I'm not voting for Barrack so that his role in ACORN wouldn't sway me....

However from the WSJ:

"Acorn officials bill themselves as nonpartisan community organizers merely interested in giving a voice to minorities and the poor. In reality, Acorn is a union-backed, multimillion-dollar outfit that uses intimidation and other tactics to push for higher minimum wage mandates and to trash Wal-Mart and other non-union companies."



I might like these guys after all....

[Pwozzie]

Here's an un-PC description of ACORN:

An organization that has played the race card for years in order to lobby money into their corrupt organization.

In fact, you know that bailout bill that failed on Monday? It had an earmark for $100m+ to go to ACORN (and La Raza). These were removed and replaced with more earmarks in the current version.

[gibiphone]

Hey Chem, it looks like they are throwing another curve at you:

Citi: Wells Fargo blocked from buying Wachovia

NEW YORK -- The fight over control of Wachovia intensified Saturday, as a judge temporarily agreed to block the sale of the bank to Wells Fargo, Citigroup announced in a news release.

washingtonpost.com

whatta mess!!

[Led Zep Fan]

Citi: Wells Fargo blocked from buying Wachovia: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

[Led Zep Fan]

Knock Out: CNBC Confirms Lehman CEO Punched at Gym

[NeoConMan]

None of this means shit to the Left.
With all the media bullshit, it takes them about three steps to pin it all on Dubya.
Don't concern yourself with facts like Barney (openly gay congressman) Frank PERSONALLY cost taxpayers millions of dollars by talking up Fannie & Freddie just ahead of the collapse, inviting more investors to a sinking ship.
O'Reilley - prick that he is - was dead right on his show.
Barney Frank should have Fannie and Freddie shoved up his ass like a big stiff one.

That piece of shit was running a prostitution ring out of his home while in congress, and when it came out he blamed on his boyfriend. Yep, poor Barney lost in love so we have to be nice to him....
Because he's gay, his lover is exempt from scrutiny and we all have to be nice to him.
If Laura Bush, Lynn Cheney, Cindy McCain or Todd Palin was pulling shit lke Barney Frank has in his YEARS in congress, the world would end today.

Massa-two-shits keeps electing Kennedy's Kerry and good old Barney Frank to the detriment of the entire nation.
I never voted for ANY of these idiots, but I keep taking it up the ass because of them. Only Barney LIKES that shit.

Nobody that did anything wrong here will pay, the Republicans will get all the blame though a Democrat will destroy every business they touch, and the Big Time CEO's will skate just like most of them did from Enron.

This nation needs an enema, then maybe their vision will clear enough to see what the fxck actually happened.

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

None of this means shit to the Left.
With all the media bullshit, it takes them about three steps to pin it all on Dubya.
Don't concern yourself with facts like Barney (openly gay congressman) Frank PERSONALLY cost taxpayers millions of dollars by talking up Fannie & Freddie just ahead of the collapse, inviting more investors to a sinking ship.
O'Reilley - prick that he is - was dead right on his show.
Barney Frank should have Fannie and Freddie shoved up his ass like a big stiff one.

That piece of shit was running a prostitution ring out of his home while in congress and when it came out he blamed on his boyfriend.
Because he's gay, his lover is exempt from scrutiny and we all have to be nice to him.
If Laura Bush, Lynn Cheney, Cindy McCain or Todd Palin was pulling shit lke Barney Frank has in his YEARS in congress, the world would end today.

Massa-two-shits keeps electing Kennedy's Kerry and good old Barney Frank to the detriment of the entire nation.
I never voted for ANY of these idiots, but I keep taking it up the ass because of them. Only Barney LIKES that shit.

Nobody that did anything wrong here will pay, the Republicans will get all the blame though a Democrat will destroy every business they touch, and the Big time CEO's will skate just like most of them did from Enron.

This nation needs an enema, then maybe their vision will clear enough to see what the fxck actually happened.

I'll agree with the last statement for sure! Wake up people!

It's sad to see you rant on gays, but hey, it's what ya gotta do , I get it..............

Could you just swear less? The forum would be a better place without all the stupid swears you guys use. Just a thought. Yeah I'm into censorship, SELF censorship, or Personal responsibility. That is the responsibility to Elevate the lowbrow finger pointing and ranting above the din of swears and accusations.
Note, yes, Barney Frank is far from exempt or perfect. Very true. Lots worse out there too.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by Harpozep

It's sad to see you rant on gays, but hey, it's what ya gotta do , I get it..............

EXACTLY the point of my post!
I'm not a gay-basher or a homo-phobe, I don't care what you do in your house.
BUT....
He'll be exempt because he's so pathetic when he's on the defensive.
O'Reilley made him look like a puppy being beat with a fireplace poker.
ALL the sympathy will pour out for poor old Barney....

The man is NOT that stupid and he's NOT that helpless!

He was elected over and over by people who seemed to think he was more qualified for the job than ANYBODY ELSE and this displays the very guilt that is played upon by society and the whole Politically Correct train running off the cliff.
If you didn't vote to re-elect Barney, you obviously hate gays, eh?
If you don't elect Obama or Hillary, you hate women and blacks, eh?
Newsflash...
I'd sell everything I own and go to work gratis on a campaign to put Condoleezza Rice in the White House. Betcha didn't see that one coming....

Originally Posted by Harpozep

Could you just swear less? The forum would be a better place without all the stupid swears you guys use. Just a thought.

Some times profanity is more than gratuitous, Frank deserves worse by far.

Originally Posted by Harpozep

Yeah I'm into censorship, SELF censorship, or Personal responsibility. That is the responsibility to Elevate the lowbrow finger pointing and ranting above the din of swears and accusations.

You go Hero!

Originally Posted by Harpozep

Note, yes, Barney Frank is far from exempt or perfect. Very true. Lots worse out there too.

I can name them ALL.
Politics is a full contact sport for me, nobody is exempt from a hard hit in my book.
I love it when the helmet comes off and the shoes go flying.
Stars in their eyes while the stretcher is called to carry them off the field....
Let them rethink their political strategy after they get the cobwebs out of their brain.

[kernelofwisdom]

In my opinion you can pull politics right out of this issue. It was meritless greed up and down desired by people poor and rich and therefore supported by the self-serving body of crooks known as congress and the hapless ringleader we call president (regardless of who's serving).

Yeah the wall street guys deserve to be treated like traitors in my book. But what about the bozo's, and everybody surely knows some, who took out stupid mortgages just to buy houses they couldn't afford and then home-equity loaned their way to big tv's etc. It had to come crashing down.

There was a time, only a few years ago but maybe now passed, when even the lowliest secretary was not interested in a house unless it had a garden tub in it. Yep, it was garden tubs and granite countertops for the women and bonus rooms and plasma tv's for the guys. Certainly we had our run of it here in NC, which is a fairly conservative state as far as real-estate goes.

Low or no documentation loans for real estate?? Fraud everywhere. But people ran away from banks with traditional lending requirements into the waiting arms of those who would tell them their dreams would come true. Everyone was special!

And it was liberals and it was conservatives doing it. White, black and every color in between. Straight, gay and "just experimenting" all were in on it.

So now the government will pay our way out of it. Ok. Right. Years ago we mortgaged away the future to have fun in the present. Now the future is here. Oops!

I'm sorry this will hurt people, but I cannot imagine any government policy that could make the economy grow when we have defied gravity for so long, living life above our means. What goes up, especially when full of hot air, must come down.

[NeoConMan]

I ain't lumping them all together.
No sir.
Barney Frank for starters should be prosecuted, with a long line behind him.
A GOP man myself, I cannot absolve the Republicans of any wrong-doing.
The Democrats are too stupid/selfish to care about complicated big picture stuff, while the Republicans who KNEW did little but sound the alarm and then walk away.
Shit-heads on BOTH sides of the aisle, but those with their hands ALL OVER IT should swing from a rope.....

Originally Posted by kernelofwisdom

There was a time, only a few years ago but maybe now passed, when even the lowliest secretary was not interested in a house unless it had a garden tub in it. Yep, it was garden tubs and granite countertops for the women and bonus rooms and plasma tv's for the guys.

The wife and I discussed exactly this last night.
With the money we make, it's a shame we don't have all the toys our friends and co-workers have.
We live in a nice solid home that we paid a good price for.
Both of our trucks have over 100,000 miles on them but they're in great shape.
They will be in the garage for years to come.

I paid cash for every guitar and gun I own.
My 26" color TV is 22 years old.
My computer was free from work.
All my clothes come from Wal Mart, my wife buys much of hers at Goodwill.
I have no fancy electronic gadgets beyond my Ipod I got as a gift.

We live comfortably with no flash or glitz in our lives.

Originally Posted by kernelofwisdom

What goes up, especially when full of hot air, must come down.

I was in Texas in the eighties, the economy and housing market were MUCH worse than this.
I KNOW what a bad economy looks like, and we ain't there - yet...

[kernelofwisdom]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

I ain't lumping them all together.
No sir.
Barney Frank for starters should be prosecuted, with a long line behind him.
A GOP man myself, I cannot absolve the Republicans of any wrong-doing.
The Democrats are too stupid/selfish to care about complicated big picture stuff, while the Republicans who KNEW did little but sound the alarm and then walk away.
Shit-heads on BOTH sides of the aisle, but those with their hands ALL OVER IT should swing from a rope.....




The wife and I discussed exactly this last night.
With the money we make, it's a shame we don't have all the toys our friends and co-workers have.
We live in a nice solid home that we paid a good price for.
Both of our trucks have over 100,000 miles on them but they're in great shape.
They will be in the garage for years to come.

I paid cash for every guitar and gun I own.
My 26" color TV is 22 years old.
My computer was free from work.
All my clothes come from Wal Mart, my wife buys much of hers at Goodwill.
I have no fancy electronic gadgets beyond my Ipod I got as a gift.

We live comfortably with no flash or glitz in our lives.




I was in Texas in the eighties, the economy and housing market were MUCH worse than this.
I KNOW what a bad economy looks like, and we ain't there - yet...

Starting from the bottom: that's what scares me. We aren't there yet, but are we headed there?? Every day a new tonic is offered to cure our ills, but will the sickness run its course anyway and yet here we are left with the bills for all the miracle cures that didn't work.

Above that, what is galling is that you (and many others) will pay for those toys others bought and the commissions paid on wall street. We will. In one way or another we will. Higher taxes, higher debt load, loss of jobs, in some way we'll pay.

It's too depressing for me to write about.

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

EXACTLY the point of my post!
I'm not a gay-basher or a homo-phobe, I don't care what you do in your house.
BUT....
He'll be exempt because he's so pathetic when he's on the defensive.
O'Reilley made him look like a puppy being beat with a fireplace poker.
ALL the sympathy will pour out for poor old Barney....

The man is NOT that stupid and he's NOT that helpless!

He was elected over and over by people who seemed to think he was more qualified for the job than ANYBODY ELSE and this displays the very guilt that is played upon by society and the whole Politically Correct train running off the cliff.
If you didn't vote to re-elect Barney, you obviously hate gays, eh?
If you don't elect Obama or Hillary, you hate women and blacks, eh?
Newsflash...
I'd sell everything I own and go to work gratis on a campaign to put Condoleezza Rice in the White House. Betcha didn't see that one coming....




Some times profanity is more than gratuitous, Frank deserves worse by far.




You go Hero!




I can name them ALL.
Politics is a full contact sport for me, nobody is exempt from a hard hit in my book.
I love it when the helmet comes off and the shoes go flying.
Stars in their eyes while the stretcher is called to carry them off the field....
Let them rethink their political strategy after they get the cobwebs out of their brain.

True there! Hit both sides when they deserve it. They work for US. They should fear we can take it all away from them! But they keep us in fear and at each other's throats instead.
Like that self serving Jerk, Lieberman. He had the gall to call the office he holds, "his seat" when voters were trying to usurp him. He said it with incredulous aloofness. It is not "his seat", it is ours.

He is there at our pleasure. They work for us. But we can all see now, they really don't know that.

Condi, nah. Just another lying water carrier. She goes to Europe, lying through her teeth that we have no secret prisons over there, then a few months later says we do ( But much less bravado, in a much smaller way ). I want our country NOT to be filling its posts with folks who have to lie. Truth and transparency are very important to me in holding ourselves accountable to a reasonably high standard..
If we are to lead, it should be by example. Our leadership today doesw, but I fear the example it gives more than half the time is one of a Machiavellian road.

No Condi for anything. She should write memoirs with Albright.

I'd take Ron Paul over anyone, but of course, his brand of leadership can never go far up the ladder in this divided land.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by Harpozep

No Condi for anything. She should write memoirs with Albright.

Albright?
No way in hell you can compare the two.

Originally Posted by Harpozep

I'd take Ron Paul over anyone, but of course, his brand of leadership can never go far up the ladder in this divided land.

Well, if you're a Ron Paul guy I guess there IS a way....

I lived in Brazoria County Texas for 15 years, I'm VERY familiar with Ron Paul.
He was nutty as a shit-house rat twenty years ago, but in Texas he was more of a curiosity than anything.

When he hit the national stage a couple years ago, I spent a couple hours talking to some guys who spent their own money to put a booth in at a gun show. They were spreading the word to get him on the national ballot, one state at a time.
I went back to his positions for a closer look.
No thanks.

When the "Cult of Truthers" rallied around him and elevated him to Grand Wizard or whatever, he started to come unglued.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT a McCain fan, but I stopped saying I'm more Libertarian than Republican.
Too much ridicule and venom by the people who REALLY don't get it.

[geochem1st]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

....
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT a McCain fan, but I stopped saying I'm more Libertarian than Republican.
Too much ridicule and venom by the people who REALLY don't get it.

You backed off labeling yourself what you really are because you couldn't take the heat??? Did I just read that right?

[ThrashPirate]

Libertarians are nuttier than the Republicans

Democrats are a waste of time

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by geochem1st

You backed off labeling yourself what you really are because you couldn't take the heat??? Did I just read that right?

I backed off starting a discussion with people that would take an hour to bear fruit, simply as the result of mentioning the word "Libertarian."

The wider public perception is indeed the reality when I discuss the lofty goals with ANYBODY in the Cult of Paul, so I keep the most complex aspects of my ideology out of casual conversation.

People who don't get it often cannot get it, no matter how hard you try...

So, I'm a Republican - in a nice neat little package.