THIS... is simply too ironic... can't stop laughing.

[NeoConMan]

THIS... is simply too ironic... can't stop laughing....



This is a great story - each paragraph reveals epic failure on top of epic failure!

Lawyer: Lesbians’ Assault on Gay Man Can’t Be Hate Crime

By Richard Weir
Saturday, February 25, 2012

Three women identified by their lawyers as lesbians were arraigned yesterday
on a hate crime charge for allegedly beating a gay man at the Forest Hills T
station in an unusual case that experts say exposes the law’s flawed logic.

“My guess is that no sane jury would convict them under those
circumstances, but what this really demonstrates is the idiocy of the hate-
crime legislation,” said civil liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate. “If you beat
someone up, you’re guilty of assault and battery of a human being. Period.
The idea of trying to break down human beings into categories is doomed to failure.”

Prosecutors and the ACLU of Massachusetts said no matter the defendants’
sexual orientation, they can still face the crime of assault and battery with
intent to intimidate, which carries up to a 10-year prison sentence, by using
hateful language.

“Someone who is Jewish can be anti-Semitic,” said ACLU staff attorney Sarah
Wunsch. “The mere fact that someone is a member of the same class doesn’t
mean they could not be motivated by hatred for their very own group.”

But Carolyn Euell, 38, mother of two of the defendants, Erika Stroud, 21, of
Dorchester and Felicia Stroud, 18, West Roxbury, told reporters the alleged
attack “can’t be hateful” because both her daughters are lesbians.

Prosecutor Lindsey Weinstein said the two sisters and one of their domestic
partners, Lydia Sanford, also a defendant, viciously beat the man Sunday,
repeatedly punching and kicking him after he bumped them with his backpack
on a stairwell.

She said the victim, who suffered a broken nose, told cops he believed the
attack was “motivated as a crime because of his sexual orientation” since
the three women “called him insulting homophobic slurs.”

But attorney Helene Tomlinson, who represented Sanford, told the judge her
client is “openly identified as a lesbian ... so any homophobic (conduct) is
unwarranted.” She said the alleged victim was the aggressor and used racial
slurs: “He provoked them.”

Felicia Stroud’s attorney, C. Harold Krasnow, said, “They don’t know what his
sexual orientation is, just like he doesn’t know what theirs is.”

Krasnow later noted the low bail the judge gave the women, $100 to $500
cash, and suggested the prosecution’s case was weak.

Civil-rights attorney Chester Darling agreed. “No one should go to court. It’s
knuckle justice,” he said. “It’s a fair exchange.”

But Jake Wark, a spokesman for Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley,
said prosecutors will have no problem proving the women committed a hate
crime, even if they are lesbians.

“The defendants’ particular orientation or alleged orientations have no
bearing on our ability to prosecute for allegedly targeting a person who they
believe to be different from them,” he said.


http://bostonherald.com/news/regiona...e%26position=2

[Luckynumber3]

Man, that is ironic! Let's see what happens now and what happens in future hate crime rulings...

[bertzie]

Maybe they hated him for having a penis.

[River]

Yeah, that's as funny as shit. Stepping in shit. Always an event with high entertainment value.

Ha, ha.

[bucklerash]

Will there be a made for TV movie? And who will play Alan Dershowitz? Someone let me know when it's on...thanks.

[Caoimhin]

A couple weeks ago a bunch of nooses were found around a college here and a list with a black student names on them. The cops said the person responsible will be charged with a hate crime. They looked over the list and only one last name was spelled right. I turned out to be a black girl who did all this and she put her name on the list too but was caught because her name was the only one spelled right.. she confessed but I doubt she was ever charged with a hate crime.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by River

Yeah, that's as funny as shit. Stepping in shit. Always an event with high entertainment value.

Ha, ha.

Don't be a hater.

[Rankelson]

Now that is Ironic
The law is now a Quagmire in which
"Special"groups within society
Milk, to serve their own interests

[zontar]

Originally Posted by bertzie

Maybe they hated him for having a penis.

Hate crimes against men--indeed...

But seriously it does show a problem with the idea of "Hate crimes"

[Scooter2112]

Originally Posted by zontar

Hate crimes against men--indeed...

But seriously it does show a problem with the idea of "Hate crimes"

Kinda like Gloria Steinem and Larry Flynt walking out of the voting booth, wondering how the hell they ended up voting for the same guy.

Promises, promises....

[teame1]

[Howard2k]

Originally Posted by KR88

A couple weeks ago a bunch of nooses were found around a college here and a list with a black student names on them. The cops said the person responsible will be charged with a hate crime. They looked over the list and only one last name was spelled right. I turned out to be a black girl who did all this and she put her name on the list too but was caught because her name was the only one spelled right.. she confessed but I doubt she was ever charged with a hate crime.

What? That cannot be true?

[FennRx]

holy **** i cant believe in a story about lesbians they actually described it as "knuckle justice" lmfao

oh and hate crime laws are stupid. and so are people who support them.

[Caoimhin]

Originally Posted by Howard2k

What? That cannot be true?

It's true but I don't believe she was charged with anything. I think the school let her go though.

[RedSkwirrell]

I get this all the time from GreySkwirrells.

[Thundergod]

Originally Posted by bertzie

Maybe they hated him for having a penis.

Makes sense. They saw he was gay and hated him for having what they want to have and not using it the way they would.

Doesn't sound crazy at all considering how bizarre people's minds are nowadays.

[Thundergod]

BTW let me say it again: I'm sick of people asking for equality and then demanding special rights for them.

What they say:
Women are equal to men.
Black people are human too.
Yellow people are human too.
Brown peoe are human too.
Homosexuals are the same as heterosexuals.
Midgets are the same as the rest.

Then why the **** do you ****ers want so many ****ing special custom made laws? STFU & GTFO.

I want them to start making laws for the hard working, honest caucasoid who looks like an ordinary joe and minds his own business.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Like Ron Paul says, there are human rights. There should not be black rights, gay rights, etc. They should not have rights designated to certain groups. Or rights described as for certain groups. It is simply human civil rights that we either all have or we don't.

And as other conservative candidates say, these rights we are born with. A government does not have the authority to grant or deny them, but the responsibility to protect them.

[Rankelson]

Originally Posted by Thundergod

BTW let me say it again: I'm sick of people asking for equality and then demanding special rights for them.

What they say:
Women are equal to men.
Black people are human too.
Yellow people are human too.
Brown peoe are human too.
Homosexuals are the same as heterosexuals.
Midgets are the same as the rest.

Then why the **** do you ****ers want so many ****ing special custom made laws? STFU & GTFO.

I want them to start making laws for the hard working, honest caucasoid who looks like an ordinary joe and minds his own business.

Your Words resonate with every Decent,hard working ,able bodied white male hetrosexual

We Created EVERY worthwhile human achievement
NOW GIVE US SOME CREDIT

[LPanon]

Originally Posted by Thundergod

...the hard working, honest caucasoid who looks like an ordinary joe and minds his own business.

If we had more of those types of people, we wouldn't have had laws that:
- Enforced segragation
- Didn't allow women to vote
- Prevent gay people from marrying
- Keep disabled people from entering a building

Originally Posted by Thundergod

....Then why the **** do you ****ers want so many ****ing special custom made laws?....

A lot of the laws you are referring to are put in place to try to undo the existing "special custom made laws" that deny any chance for equal treatment under the law. All of the laws that enforced or allowed for unequal treatment were passed by "honest caucasoids who looks like an ordinary joe").

Originally Posted by Thundergod

BTW let me say it again: I'm sick of people asking for equality.....

Nobody is "asking for equality". We already have that. People are asking for "equal treatment under the law".

Because of that, I also oppose defining different punishments based on whether the crime was committed as a "hate crime".

Originally Posted by Rankelson

Your Words resonate with every Decent,hardworking ,able bodied white male hetrosexual....

No, they don't (obviously).

Originally Posted by Rankelson

...We Created EVERY worthwhile human achievement....

If by "we", you mean "humans", I agree. If by "we", you mean "white males"... you sicken me. Unless you were kidding.. EDITED... This was a joke from him. See below. I apologize for jumping on you, Rankelson.

[Rankelson]

Originally Posted by LPanon

If by "we", you mean "humans", I agree. If by "we", you mean "white males"... you sicken me. Unless you were kidding, but my guess is, you weren't.

It was a "Tongue in Cheek" statement LP
But with equal rights,it seems minorities are more equal than The majority
And in times of hardship this can cause resentment

[LPanon]

Sorry, Rankelson. I edited my post. You need to add winking smilies when you do that. Got my blood all boiling!

[Rankelson]

Originally Posted by LPanon

Sorry, Rankelson. I edited my post. You need to add winking smilies when you do that. Got my blood all boiling!

I keep forgetting how literal the written word can be
I will start putting smileys in when being jocular

[Thumpalumpacus]

Laws protecting equality are qualitatively different from hate crimes law.

As detestable as bigotry is, laws imposing harsher sentences for crimes driven by bigotry are silly. They are, in essence, the state meting out harsher punishment for thoughts.

[LPanon]

Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus

...They are, in essence, the state meting out harsher punishment for thoughts.

They do that all the time, in ways you probably agree with.

Premeditated murder is punshished differently than DWI manslaughter, and differently still, than manslaughter due to other negligence.

In each acse, a person is dead due to the actions of others. The charged crime and sentence will vary with what the authoities believe the commiter was THINKING, prior to the death of the other.

With very little work, you can come up with dozens of examples of people being punished differntly based on thought (intent).

Again, I disagree with the wording of "hate crime" laws, and the way they are impossible to enforce in any sort of fashion that allows for equity under the law.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Originally Posted by LPanon

They do that all the time, in ways you probably agree with.

Premeditated murder is punshished differently than DWI manslaughter, and differently still, than manslaughter due to other negligence.

In each acse, a person is dead due to the actions of others. The charged crime and sentence will vary with what the authoities believe the commiter was THINKING, prior to the death of the other.

Yes, but in that case, the thought is itself planning out the illegal act. As such it can be construed as part of the act.

There's a difference in balefulness between planning a murder and hating a certain group. The first is necessarily a part of the crime. The second doesn't lead to the crime in the vast majority of cases.

With very little work, you can come up with dozens of examples of people being punished differntly based on thought (intent).

Unlike the distinction drawn between first-degree and second-degree murder based on intent, which separates the criminal longer from society based on their willful violation of societal norms, laws like this punish a person for haphazardly getting into a fight with a member of a group against which he's bigoted without showing that he intended to do so specifically in the charged crime. In other words, they're not obligated to show a direct link between the bigotry and its putative victim.

Again, I disagree with the wording of "hate crime" laws, and the way they are impossible to enforce in any sort of fashion that allows for equity under the law.

This gets to the nub of the problem. What these laws are is a way for politicians to grandstand as being "tough on crime" while adding yet another law which really does very little to change anything, aside from stoke a victim complex and sense of self-righteousness in the bigots it seeks to penalize. It punishes the bigot for being stupid without having the requirement of showing that his stupidity was a vital component of the crime.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by LPanon

Got my blood all boiling!

Which is the fundamental problem, no?

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus

They are, in essence, the state meting out harsher punishment for thoughts.

Show me the "Love" crimes - rape, incest, prostitution...?

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by LPanon

They do that all the time, in ways you probably agree with.

Thump might, but I damned sure don't.

Originally Posted by LPanon

With very little work, you can come up with dozens of examples of people being punished differntly based on thought (intent).

Yep, and it's a two-fer-one thing.
I can use the very same examples to illustrate where we have fxcked our Founding Fathers in the ass.

All for the sake of "progress" and "social justice"...
Giving so-called rights (that never existed) to people who make for great TV news stories.

Originally Posted by LPanon

Again, I disagree with the wording of "hate crime" laws, and the way they are impossible to enforce in any
sort of fashion that allows for equity under the law.

I disagree with the notion that my white, hetero, Christian children are somehow worth less.

[geochem1st]

Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus

Yes, but in that case, the thought is itself planning out the illegal act. As such it can be construed as part of the act.

There's a difference in balefulness between planning a murder and hating a certain group. The first is necessarily a part of the crime. The second doesn't lead to the crime in the vast majority of cases.



....

(forgive me Caleb and others)

If I hate cops, then plan an attack that kills cops... I will be prosecuted differently. The same legislation is being planned for 'legislators' since the Arizona shootings.