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Unread 08-22-2011, 11:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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whenever people make disparaging remarks about the Canadian Armed Forces, I can only laugh for that person must be joking or ignorant
It's a bit ironic actually...

The fact that our soldiers have fewer resources than many nations has made them resourceful.

Many Canadian soldiers are expected to perform many different duties so they're able to fill a few different shoes if required.
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In the article, the historian Lackenbauer wondered aloud what sort of threat the Canadian military could stop with use of these electric snowmobiles.

I haven't read the article but I noticed you mentioned Lackenbauer. I didn't realize they had interviewed Whitney in it. I haven't seen him in ages but he was hired to replace my undergrad advisor after he passed away. The way it was described to me by some other profs was that I had taken up the position previously occupied by Whitney - he had been that prof's golden boy as a student and, when I came along a few years behind him, I ended up in that position. I'll be in town later this week and should probably make a point of popping in to see some of the people in that department.
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Where on V.I are you ED?
I'm from Victoria but have been in Nanaimo for the past five or so years...you?

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Canada has a military?


Their army was good enough to capture these Nazis
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I am thinking more and more lately about moving to Victoria.
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It's a bit ironic actually...

The fact that our soldiers have fewer resources than many nations has made them resourceful.

Many Canadian soldiers are expected to due many different duties so they're able to fill a few different shoes if required.
Thank-you. A classic example: I am a Met Tech (Meteorological technician). we currently have Met Techs deployed in Afghanistan and our role there varies greatly. We have Techs that are attached to Artillery units and are operating with them at the FOB's providing nallistic met. After we launch our weather balloon we're right back on sentry with them, hauling rounds, pulling lanyards and getting in the fight. Part of a Met Techs training during build up prior to deployment is also in manning driving and operating our LAV's deployed over there (just in case). We also have Techs on ship in our Royal Navy; I should mention that our techs are from the Airforce so we are always fish out of water but schooled and trained in a variety of trades.
Hell, we've even had Met Techs running around the sand box with Cansofcom.

I'm damn proud of being a member (as you can probably see) and I know the capabilities of our members.

Just read over this and I don't want to re-edit it but I apologize for my crappy grammar. Man I suck at writing tonight
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that would be pretty badass.
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Yeah, but I guess this really would be offset by a hyrbridized engine, as Mr. Zeppelli has suggested.

The 18th Airborne Corps (to include the 82nd Division) also uses dirt bikes in the same manner as USMC. It's very nice for an FO to be able to bug out quickly once he's kicked up a hornet's nest, that's for sure! When I went through FO school in the 70's they told us: never forget that the first guy they're gonna want to kill is YOU... and that every single one of them will be lookin' for ya at once!

Also, before I forget: several of my former comrades were sent TDY to train with various Canadian military units. Every one of our guys was hard core, and every one of them came back to report that Canada's troops are truly excellent. I got particularly glowing reports of the VanDoos, who have been legendary since the 2nd World War, and those guys from CSOR are some tough bastards-- very STRAC. And that was very high praise, considering that it came from some of the best and most experienced soldiers I served with. SF troops are exceptionally gung-ho and competitive, and they don't really like to praise other units... not even their friendly counterparts from other nations.

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whenever people make disparaging remarks about the Canadian Armed Forces, I can only laugh for that person must be joking or ignorant
When you consider feats of arms like Vimy Ridge in WWI or their defeat of 1st SS Das Reich after D-Day, anyone who thinks Canadians don't make good soldiers is full of shit. They're some of the fightingest sonsabitches around, if you piss them off.
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Their army was good enough to capture these Nazis
Lets not forget Vimy Ridge: The Canadian 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th divisions accomplished in a matter of days what the British and French could not for 2 years!!

A couple other things you can thank the Canadians for (all inovations from Vimy)
The Platoon System
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The Rolling Barrage: The Canadian plan called for artillery to keep an exact pace in front of the Canadian troops moving across “no-man’s-land”

Good Intelligence: Microphones placed through-out “no-man’s-land” were triangulated enemy fire. Aircraft and balloons spotted where possible and maps and information gathered from trench raids all put together a picture of the German defences
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"The Canadians were marked out as storm troops; for the remainder of the war they were brought in to head the assault in one great battle after another. Whenever the Germans found the Canadian Corps coming into the line they prepared for the worst."

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I'm from Victoria but have been in Nanaimo for the past five or so years...you?

Victoria was my stomping grounds growing up out on the Saanich Peninsula. Family is in the Cowichan Valley (Maple Bay) while I'm on couurse training in Winnipeg.
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"The Canadians were marked out as storm troops; for the remainder of the war they were brought in to head the assault in one great battle after another. Whenever the Germans found the Canadian Corps coming into the line they prepared for the worst."

-Lloyd George
The same is said about the Taliban in Afghanistan. One thing we bring is the same fighting spirit since the days of Vimy. Canadians are known over there for being relentless. We keep pushing and advancing until you surrender or meet your maker.
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When you consider feats of arms like Vimy Ridge in WWI or their defeat of 1st SS Das Reich after D-Day, anyone who thinks Canadians don't make good soldiers is full of shit. They're some of the fightingest sonsabitches around, if you piss them off.
Very true. The Dutch hold Canadians dear in their hearts as it was the Canadian forces who liberated the vast majority of the Netherlands during WW II. Then there was the 2nd Battalion of the Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry at the Battle of Kapyong during the Korean War to say nothing of our efforts in Afghanistan where our snipers distinguished themselves by setting records for long distance kills that had stood since the Viet Nam War (they currently hold the 2nd and 3rd positions on the list with confirmed kills at distances of 2310m and 2430m).
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You guys also make some decent beer.
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You guys also make some decent beer.
And our women are more than a little hot!
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You guys also make some decent beer.
after a long day of killing Germans or Taliban, Budweiser just won't do
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[QUOTE=colchar;2974454 our snipers distinguished themselves by setting records for long distance kills that had stood since the Viet Nam War (they currently hold the 2nd and 3rd positions on the list with confirmed kills at distances of 2310m and 2430m).[/QUOTE]

That was Rob Furlong, now retired from the forces. Many still believe his record holds as there are many, many long shooters that claim the Brit's Craig Harrison shot was virtually impossible with the L115A3. Just my 2 cents
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And our women are more than a little hot!
Yeah, then why so much snow? Huh?

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Shit, Budweiser doesn't cut it after a long day laying in bed.
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after a long day of killing Germans or Taliban, Budweiser just won't do
Our OP's are dry as are all of our ops. No drinking for CF troops until unwinding from TOD in Cyprus.
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Our OP's are dry as are all of our ops. No drinking for CF troops until unwinding from TOD in Cyprus.
I was just trying to make a funny. My grandfather hasn't killed a German since 1945, but he drinks Canadian beer every day (despite living in the US since '51)
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I haven't read the article but I noticed you mentioned Lackenbauer. I didn't realize they had interviewed Whitney in it. I haven't seen him in ages but he was hired to replace my undergrad advisor after he passed away. The way it was described to me by some other profs was that I had taken up the position previously occupied by Whitney - he had been that prof's golden boy as a student and, when I came along a few years behind him, I ended up in that position. I'll be in town later this week and should probably make a point of popping in to see some of the people in that department.
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Yeah, the PPCLI recieved the highest award that the US can bestow for Kapyong.
50 000+ in Vietnam.
In the series Band of Brothers there is a scene where Easy Company asks where are the Canadians.
The British Officer signals, and the Canucks emerge from the ground.
In the Legion Halls around here you can buy books authored by vets.
Seems that the Canuck soldiers had to train against the land for lack of equipment.
The Brits had a laugh over the Army that trains on it's belly.
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Canadian military? = 60,000 drop outs with muskets.

We did have a proud force at one time.
It had been documented that if the Germans knew that the Canadians were advancing, they always prepared for the worst.

The first "Special Forces" team was a American/Canadian coalition. "The Devils Brigade"
I'm sure we have all seen the movie as well.
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Obama's new super-bullet-proof campaign bus was
made in Canada also. Presidents Bus made in Canada

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That was Rob Furlong, now retired from the forces. Many still believe his record holds as there are many, many long shooters that claim the Brit's Craig Harrison shot was virtually impossible with the L115A3. Just my 2 cents
It wasn't just Furlong. Arron Perry had the kill at 2310m (currently 3rd on the list) and that occurred just before Furlong's kill. They were part of the same unit (every member of which was awarded the Bronze Star by the Americans) and, so far as I remember, the kills both took place during the same operation. Perry briefly held the record before Furlong exceeded it shortly afterwards but that means that Perry is the one who broke the record that had stood since Viet Nam.
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Yeah, he graduated about three years before I came along and I knew him when he returned there to teach after the other prof had passed away. I think I originally met him at that prof's funeral (or perhaps it was his memorial service at which I spoke on behalf of his students) and that it was his widow who introduced us. A good friend of mine worked as his research assistant for a while.
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Perhaps after seeing this they are preparing to attack America.



Americans, beware of anybody looking like these coming down your street.
If the tops of their heads are clearly separated from their chins..Run.. There may be a snow mobile heading straight for you.

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The first "Special Forces" team was a American/Canadian coalition. "The Devils Brigade"
I'm sure we have all seen the movie as well.

They weren't the first as special forces had existed in prior conflicts. Even during WW II, the British established the Commandos in 1940 and the group that became known as the 'Devils Brigade' wasn't formed until 1942.

Between finishing my B.A. and starting my Master's I won a scholarship from the Department of National Defence through which I did some work for the museum of a local regiment. During that I compiled a history of the regiment that the museum would use during outreach events at local schools, etc. The guy in charge of the regimental museum was a retired Lieutenant-Colonel from the regiment (his father had commanded the regiment decades before him and his brother had been killed while serving with it during WW II) who was near 90 at the time. During the war he had been seconded from that regiment to be part of the 1st Special Service Force which was the official name of 'The Devil's Brigade'. He was injured in a minefield in Italy and was invalided out of the service before the end of the war. He later rejoined and rose to the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel and commanded the regiment. In 2006 the Canadians who had been members of that force were awarded the American Bronze Star (the Americans had been awarded it in 1945).

Here is some info on him (a lousy site but the info was cut and pasted from a regimental newsletter):

2009. Colonel Conover awarded the Bronze Star
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