59? 60? on ebay

nwobhm · 10-16-2008, 08:48 PM

Has this been discussed yet? He's got a killer MAX 58' korina V aswell. OLD Gibson Les Paul Standard Electric Guitar - eBay (item 160292653087 end time Nov-15-08 11:40:51 PST)

shotgunlew · 10-16-2008, 08:54 PM

I want that....

Splattle101 · 10-16-2008, 09:33 PM

If that is an old Les Paul, wouldn't the end of the neck tennon be visible in the neck pick up cavity?

I don't see it.

cheers,
Splat

Skynyrdpicker · 10-16-2008, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splattle101

If that is an old Les Paul, wouldn't the end of the neck tennon be visible in the neck pick up cavity?

I don't see it.

cheers,
Splat

He said it was re necked though so I don't think so.

Either way, that thing's got character!

nwobhm · 10-16-2008, 09:43 PM

That's a good point! Even if it was re-necked in the 70's there would still be a remnant of the route for the neck tenon.

Splattle101 · 10-16-2008, 09:53 PM

Sorry, my bullshit detector is going off.

Bear with me, please, as I attempt to go through this logically.

If it was a late 50s LP, it would have started life with a long tennon. That means the body would have been routed for a long tennon. That rout would go right into the neck pick up cavity.

If it was re-necked, the new neck would either: 1. have a long tennon which would be visible in the cavity; or 2. have a short tennon. If the latter, then the rout for the long tennon would still be there, leaving either a bloody great hole, or a bloody great hole filled with an insert. Both would be visible in that cavity.

In pic number 12 I don’t see:

* a long tennon; or
* a cavity where one used to be; or
* a block inserted to fill the cavity where the long tennon was; or
* any lines or marks from the neck leading into that cavity.

It doesn’t look like any part of that neck - or its alleged predecessor - has ever protruded into that cavity.

I don’t believe that this is a 1950s Les Paul. It's a very cool looking instrument, though.

cheers,
Splat

nwobhm · 10-16-2008, 09:58 PM

After getting a bunch of emails saying that it wasn't a 50's les paul, he will not gaurantee it's authenticity. He thinks the headstock face is original but, it is definately a 70's logo with typical bad inlay of the logo. I'm not sure what it is but, I don't think it's a 50's body. That thing is 70's, It looks alot like my 79' Les Paul K.M. or closer to a 80' Heritage. I have seen a few fake Heritage 80'S that were made to look like 50's pauls

Splattle101 · 10-16-2008, 10:10 PM

It looks like a very nice relic job. Have a look at pic 6, showing the heel of the neck and the inside of the cut away. It's just too clean and tidy. My 1978 Standard is not that smooth, and that guitar has been lovingly cared for since 1987.

Relic, in my opinion.

cheers,
Splat

GooCart · 10-17-2008, 02:57 AM

It sure looks like a Heritage or a Elite. The cutaway looks to pointy to me but it might be the pics.

Stowburst · 10-17-2008, 05:59 AM

I would not pay 3k for that let alone 30k...

Frutiger · 10-17-2008, 07:05 AM

It looks like a heritage, mine has faded that much (although it's not checked in the same way)

It's short tennon, pointed horn, wrong inlays, nashville bridge (look at the posts in pic 3) so NOT '50's imo.

Still looks like a cool LP, just not a 'burst.

Stowburst · 10-17-2008, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frutiger

It looks like a heritage, mine has faded that much (although it's not checked in the same way)

It's short tennon, pointed horn, wrong inlays, nashville bridge (look at the posts in pic 3) so NOT '50's imo.

Still looks like a cool LP, just not a 'burst.

Yep, looks cool tho

Splattle101 · 10-17-2008, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frutiger

...

Still looks like a cool LP

Yeah, I agree. If I were in the market for a Standard, I'd look at this fiddle. Not for $29 k, though. Maybe a tenth of that.

Splat

nwobhm · 10-17-2008, 05:43 PM

I think it's an Elite, one piece mahgony neck, sharp cutaway, could be ebony board.

10-16-2008, 08:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
nwobhm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	59? 60? on ebay Has this been discussed yet? He's got a killer MAX 58' korina V aswell. OLD Gibson Les Paul Standard Electric Guitar - eBay (item 160292653087 end time Nov-15-08 11:40:51 PST)

10-16-2008, 08:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
shotgunlew V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,966 Thanks: 36 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay I want that.... __________________ 60% of the time...it works every time.... Gun Control = Using Both Hands!! Everyone Please Pray for Sgt Jeffery Crones and the rest of the boys in iraq! Get some boys! Chris "The Gunhand" Of the MLP Pirates Crew

10-16-2008, 09:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Splattle101 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 737 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 59? 60? on ebay If that is an old Les Paul, wouldn't the end of the neck tennon be visible in the neck pick up cavity? I don't see it. cheers, Splat __________________ Gibsons Fenders Danelectros Hand made stuff with no name... And amps. Good amps. Really good amps...

10-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
nwobhm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay That's a good point! Even if it was re-necked in the 70's there would still be a remnant of the route for the neck tenon.

10-16-2008, 09:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Splattle101 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 737 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 59? 60? on ebay Sorry, my bullshit detector is going off. Bear with me, please, as I attempt to go through this logically. If it was a late 50s LP, it would have started life with a long tennon. That means the body would have been routed for a long tennon. That rout would go right into the neck pick up cavity. If it was re-necked, the new neck would either: 1. have a long tennon which would be visible in the cavity; or 2. have a short tennon. If the latter, then the rout for the long tennon would still be there, leaving either a bloody great hole, or a bloody great hole filled with an insert. Both would be visible in that cavity. In pic number 12 I don’t see: * a long tennon; or * a cavity where one used to be; or * a block inserted to fill the cavity where the long tennon was; or * any lines or marks from the neck leading into that cavity. It doesn’t look like any part of that neck - or its alleged predecessor - has ever protruded into that cavity. I don’t believe that this is a 1950s Les Paul. It's a very cool looking instrument, though. cheers, Splat __________________ Gibsons Fenders Danelectros Hand made stuff with no name... And amps. Good amps. Really good amps... Last edited by Splattle101; 10-16-2008 at 10:00 PM. Reason: spelling

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10-16-2008, 09:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
nwobhm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay After getting a bunch of emails saying that it wasn't a 50's les paul, he will not gaurantee it's authenticity. He thinks the headstock face is original but, it is definately a 70's logo with typical bad inlay of the logo. I'm not sure what it is but, I don't think it's a 50's body. That thing is 70's, It looks alot like my 79' Les Paul K.M. or closer to a 80' Heritage. I have seen a few fake Heritage 80'S that were made to look like 50's pauls

10-16-2008, 10:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Splattle101 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 737 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 59? 60? on ebay It looks like a very nice relic job. Have a look at pic 6, showing the heel of the neck and the inside of the cut away. It's just too clean and tidy. My 1978 Standard is not that smooth, and that guitar has been lovingly cared for since 1987. Relic, in my opinion. cheers, Splat __________________ Gibsons Fenders Danelectros Hand made stuff with no name... And amps. Good amps. Really good amps...

10-17-2008, 02:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
GooCart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 327 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 59? 60? on ebay It sure looks like a Heritage or a Elite. The cutaway looks to pointy to me but it might be the pics. __________________ Thanx, Magnus Melkersson, Sweden GooCartsGuitars. GooCarts

10-17-2008, 05:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Stowburst V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oxford UK Posts: 1,011 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay I would not pay 3k for that let alone 30k... __________________ Even the Losers get lucky sometimes

10-17-2008, 07:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
Frutiger Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay It looks like a heritage, mine has faded that much (although it's not checked in the same way) It's short tennon, pointed horn, wrong inlays, nashville bridge (look at the posts in pic 3) so NOT '50's imo. Still looks like a cool LP, just not a 'burst.

10-17-2008, 05:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
nwobhm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 59? 60? on ebay I think it's an Elite, one piece mahgony neck, sharp cutaway, could be ebony board.

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