1969 Gold Top - comments?

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 11:32 AM

Any thoughts about this one? It has a 3 piece neck. They show the inside of the pickup cavities, almost implying that it has a long tenon, even though they do not say it does. It does not! That is a block of wood sitting in the space where a long tenon would be. It is there to hold the wood screws for the P90s. The body was routed for a long tenon, so they had to put the block of wood in there. You can tell the difference between the block of wood and a long tenon because the long tenon would be beveled on the end. Still, looks like a decent deal on a LP Standard, even though it has a big head.

1969 GIBSON LES PAUL GOLDTOP - eBay (item 130261251608 end time Oct-12-08 15:46:54 PDT)

What's up with that case? Never seen one like that with a Les Paul; it does not look like the right shape; maybe for a similar Gibson?

Mike - I know you will read this! The serial number is close to yours & seems to have similar appointments....looks like the pups may even be clear.....?

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

Mike - I know you will read this! The serial number is close to yours & seems to have similar appointments....looks like the pups may even be clear.....?

..that one is just like mine,50 numbers away...has long tenon route with filler block,which is typical for a 564xxx.
Mine has clear bobbins,so this one prolly does, too.
The case is a Gibson Artist case.
pots are probably 6850.
pickguard and plates,if original,prolly rolled plastic
I'm guessing the neck size is not too big,if it is like mine.
Weight at nine pounds is about the same as mine.
Looks original, as seller states

Nice shape,decent price.

I would LOVE to have it,But I don't think I could afford the guitar at the moment.

I would be interested in the case...

diceman · 10-08-2008, 01:39 PM

They sure were careful to take that cavity shot at an angle which would make you think it had a long tenon...

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 01:45 PM

A photo is provided,so I don't think the seller is hiding anything...the filler block is typical for that serial range as it is in this range they went from long tenon to trans. tenon.With P-90's they would need to fill-in the route for the screws to go into the body...

diceman · 10-08-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

A photo is provided,so I don't think the seller is hiding anything...the filler block is typical for that serial range as it is in this range they went from long tenon to trans. tenon.With P-90's they would need to fill-in the route for the screws to go into the body...

I don't think he's hiding anything either. To the semi-informed buyer (someone like... say, me) it could easily be mistaken for a long neck tenon. I wouldn't have even thought about a filler block if I hadn't heard you and Jimmy talk about them before. I think you or one of the other guys told me that there have been 3 piece long tenon necks from '69...

A sweet guitar either way.

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 02:02 PM

...you are absolutely correct,an uninformed buyer could be thinking he's getting a long tenon...and at this asking price one better really know his onions or ask for more details...

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike60

..that one is just like mine,50 numbers away...has long tenon route with filler block,which is typical for a 564xxx.
Mine has clear bobbins,so this one prolly does, too.
The case is a Gibson Artist case.
pots are probably 6850.
pickguard and plates,if original,prolly rolled plastic
I'm guessing the neck size is not too big,if it is like mine.
Weight at nine pounds is about the same as mine.
Looks original, as seller states

Nice shape,decent price.

I would LOVE to have it,But I don't think I could afford the guitar at the moment.

I would be interested in the case...

Isn't the case a later 70s case?

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike60

A photo is provided,so I don't think the seller is hiding anything...the filler block is typical for that serial range as it is in this range they went from long tenon to trans. tenon.With P-90's they would need to fill-in the route for the screws to go into the body...

I doubt the seller even knows it is a block of filler wood instead of a long tenon. Most people don't even know what a long tenon is, much less the fact that they put filler blocks in them during a transition period.

I agree; This seller does not seem to be hiding anything.

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by diceman

I don't think he's hiding anything either. To the semi-informed buyer (someone like... say, me) it could easily be mistaken for a long neck tenon. I wouldn't have even thought about a filler block if I hadn't heard you and Jimmy talk about them before. I think you or one of the other guys told me that there have been 3 piece long tenon necks from '69...

A sweet guitar either way.

I have heard of a 3 piece neck with a long tenon, but never seen one. Unless I do see one, I will assume they are all filler blocks & someone got faked out.

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

Isn't the case a later 70s case?

I don't know.That '69 Custom I got came with the exact same case (although beat to rat shit).

I'm thinking the case COULD be "era" correct.

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

I don't know.That '69 Custom I got came with the exact same case (although beat to rat shit).

I'm thinking the case COULD be "era" correct.

Does the guitar fit in it (snug)? It looks like maybe a Les Paul professional or personal or maybe an L5 / L6S? (I don't know all the correct lettering for those weird looking Les Paul type guitars that are fancy & they only made a few of them)

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

I dopubt the seller even knows it is a block of filler wood instead of a long tenon. Most people don't even know what a long tenon is, much less the fact that they put filler blocks in them during a transition period.

I agree; This seller does not seem to be hiding anything.

maybe,but the seller is a dealer...

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

Does the gutiar fit in it (snug)? It looks like maybe a Les Paul professional or personal or maybe an L5 / L6S? (I don't know all the correct lettering for those weird looking Les Paul type guitars that are fancy & they only made a few of them)

...it could be.My Custom fits fairlywell in mine and I really like the all black.Too bad the case is quite pooched.

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

maybe,but the seller is a dealer...

I find that a lot of dealers don't know much about old guitars. Some will admit it; others will try to fake you out.

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

...it could be.My Custom fits fairlywell in mine and I really like the all black.Too bad the case is quite pooched.

That fit is exactly what I was talking about. The body section looks too long for the guitar. It will move around a lot. I think that case was made for something other than a Les Paul. You need a marigold case! steal the one from your GT! Or, I could sell you one.

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 03:37 PM

my marigold case is now home to the 69BB...

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

my marigold case is now home to the 69BB...

So the GT needs one! I have you covered! haha

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 03:44 PM

looks like the guitar has a one piece body

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 03:48 PM

the Cowtown one should be one piece body,two piece centre seam top as is mine...

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

the Cowtown one should be one piece body,two piece centre seam top as is mine...

I wonder if it has any flame. I have a feeling that my 69 refin'd top GT was one of those that someone got curious about, took the finish off to look for flame, then refin'd to GT. The back is too clean to have had much wear on the top.

Mike60 · 10-08-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

I wonder if it has any flame. I have a feeling that my 69 refin'd top GT was one of those that someone got curious about, took the finish off to look for flame, then refin'd to GT. The back is too clean to have had much wear on the top.

I was looking at a '69GT a few years ago at a shop in Toronto...original finish but the gold top had really "greened out"

JimmyAce2006 · 10-08-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

I was looking at a '69GT a few years ago at a shop in Toronto...original finish but the gold top had really "greened out"

could be fron sweat I guess. I hope it doesn't happen to mine. I have also noticed that depending on the climate & where the guitar has been, some gold tops age a little different color than others. some seem a little darker.

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JimmyAce2006 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 715 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1969 Gold Top - comments? Any thoughts about this one? It has a 3 piece neck. They show the inside of the pickup cavities, almost implying that it has a long tenon, even though they do not say it does. It does not! That is a block of wood sitting in the space where a long tenon would be. It is there to hold the wood screws for the P90s. The body was routed for a long tenon, so they had to put the block of wood in there. You can tell the difference between the block of wood and a long tenon because the long tenon would be beveled on the end. Still, looks like a decent deal on a LP Standard, even though it has a big head. 1969 GIBSON LES PAUL GOLDTOP - eBay (item 130261251608 end time Oct-12-08 15:46:54 PDT) What's up with that case? Never seen one like that with a Les Paul; it does not look like the right shape; maybe for a similar Gibson? Mike - I know you will read this! The serial number is close to yours & seems to have similar appointments....looks like the pups may even be clear.....?

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